Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/07/2003 09:01 AM Senate FIN

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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                           May 07, 2003                                                                                       
                              9:01 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken convened the meeting at approximately 9:01 AM.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending: JEFF OTTESEN, Acting  Director, Statewide Planning,                                                           
Department  of Transportation  and Public  Facilities; PAT  WALKER,                                                             
Staff  to Senator  Lyman  Hoffman; DAN  FAUSKE,  CEO and  Executive                                                             
Director,  Alaska   Housing  Finance  Corporation,   Department  of                                                             
Revenue; JOE DUBLER, Chief Financial  Officer and Finance Director,                                                             
Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation, Department  of Revenue;  JOHN                                                             
ALCANTRA, Government Relations Director, NEA-Alaska; BRUCE JOHNSON,                                                             
Representative, Alaska Association  of School Boards; MARY FRANCIS,                                                             
Representative,  Alaska  School  Administrators  Association;  EDDY                                                             
JEANS,  Finance Manager,  School  Finance and  Facilities  Section,                                                             
Education  Support  Services,  Department  of Education  and  Early                                                             
Development; RICHARD  SCHMITZ, Staff to Senator John  Cowdery; MARK                                                             
O'BRIEN,  Chief Contracts  Officer,  Contracting,  Procurement  and                                                             
Appeals  Section,   Office  of  the  Commissioner,   Department  of                                                             
Transportation  and Public Facilities;  DICK CATTANAUGH,  Executive                                                             
Director, Associated  General Contractors of Alaska;  WENDY REDMAN,                                                             
Vice President of University Relations, University of Alaska; LANDA                                                             
BAILY,  Auditor,  Department  of Revenue;  JOHN  MACKINNON,  Deputy                                                             
Commissioner  of  Highways  &  Public  Facilities,   Department  of                                                             
Transportation  and  Public Facilities;  KEVIN  JARDELL,  Assistant                                                             
Commissioner, Department of Administration                                                                                      
Attending via Teleconference:  From an Offnet Site:  DUANE BANNOCK,                                                           
Director, Division of Motor Vehicles, Department of Administration;                                                             
From   Anchorage:  STEVE   KALMES,  Director   of   Transportation,                                                             
Municipality  of  Anchorage  School  District;  BARBARA  SCHUHMANN,                                                             
Parent; PHYLLIS JOHNSON, Vice President and General Council, Alaska                                                             
Railroad  Corporation,   Department   of  Community  and   Economic                                                             
Development;  From   Fairbanks:  JOHN  BINKLEY,  Chair,   Board  of                                                             
Directors, Alaska Railroad Corporation, Department of Community and                                                             
Economic Development                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 100-APPROP: CAPITAL PROJECTS                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The  Committee heard  from  the Department  of  Transportation  and                                                             
Public Facilities,  rescinded action on one amendment,  adopted six                                                             
amendments, failed  to adopt one  amendment, and one amendment  was                                                             
offered  but withdrawn  from consideration.  The bill  was held  in                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HB 170-MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The Division  of Motor Vehicles  presented testimony, and  the bill                                                             
was reported from Committee.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB 256-DIVIDEND PAYMENT TO STATE BY AHFC                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The  Committee heard  testimony  from  the Alaska  Housing  Finance                                                             
Corporation. One  amendment was adopted and the bill  reported from                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB 202-EDUCATION FUNDING &PUPIL TRANSPORTATION                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard  from the  Department of  Education and  Early                                                             
Development  and  took  public  testimony.  The bill  was  held  in                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB 125-STATE CONTRACTS                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The  Committee   heard  from   the  sponsor,   the  Department   of                                                             
Transportation and Public Facilities, the University of Alaska, and                                                             
the industry.  Two amendments  were adopted  and the bill  reported                                                             
from Committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SB 112-INCREASE MOTOR FUEL TAX                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The bill heard testimony  from the Alaska Railroad,  the Department                                                             
of Revenue, the Department of Administration, and the Department of                                                             
Transportation and Public Facilities. The bill was held in                                                                      
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB 31-RAILROAD UTILITY CORRIDOR TO & IN CANADA                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The committee heard testimony from the bill's sponsor and the                                                                   
Alaska Railroad. The bill was held in Committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 100                                                                                                        
     "An Act  making capital  appropriations and reappropriations;                                                              
     capitalizing a fund; making appropriations under art. IX, sec.                                                             
     17(c),  Constitution   of  the  State  of  Alaska,   from  the                                                             
     constitutional  budget  reserve  fund;  and providing  for  an                                                             
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the thirteenth hearing for this bill in the Senate Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #8: This amendment is  outlined in a memorandum from Mike                                                             
Barton,  Commissioner,  Department  of  Transportation  and  Public                                                             
Facilities  to Cheryl Frasca,  Director, Office  of Management  and                                                             
Budget dated May 2, 2003, which reads as follows.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The  Department of  Transportation  and  Public Facilities  is                                                             
     requesting amendments to the  capital budget bills (HB 150 and                                                             
     SB 100) before the Legislature.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Rural Airport Projects                                                                                                     
     The Department  is requesting  the following changes  to rural                                                             
     airport capital projects:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Amend                                                                                                                      
     Chevak: Snow Removal Equipment Building                                                                                    
          Increase   from  $50,000  to  $200,000  federal   receipt                                                             
     authority. The cost to build this structure has increased over                                                             
     previous estimates. This amount is needed in addition to an FY                                                             
     03  appropriation  to  bring   the  total  estimated  cost  to                                                             
     $750,000.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Add                                                                                                                        
     Scammon Bay: Airport Snow Removal Equipment Building                                                                       
          $100,000  federal  receipts.   Reflects  revised  Airport                                                             
     Improvement  Program request.  This project  will upgrade  the                                                             
     Scammon Bay Snow Removal Equipment Building.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide: Various Airport Snow Removal Equipment                                                                          
          $4,300,000  federal   receipts.  This  was  inadvertently                                                             
     omitted  from the Department's  original request. The  project                                                             
     provides federal authority to purchase new or replacement snow                                                             
     removal equipment at several rural airports.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Surface Transportation Projects                                                                                            
     The Department's  current AMATS  [Anchorage Metropolitan  Area                                                             
     Transportation Study] and  Surface Transportation requests are                                                             
     $68,734,000 and $416,092,600.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  following  reductions  are  being  requested  to  various                                                             
     highway projects:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          ($39,906,000)     Over the  past  year there  has been  a                                                             
     decrease in the amount of federal fuel tax revenues collected,                                                             
     which  have caused a  corresponding reduction  in the  highway                                                             
     construction  program.  A reduction  in  specific projects  is                                                             
     being requested to reflect delays due to the decreased federal                                                             
     funding.                                                                                                                   
          ($48,125,000)       This   amendment   requests   project                                                             
     reductions where  the Department has determined  that adequate                                                             
     project authority  already exists to continue  work through FH                                                             
     04.                                                                                                                        
          ($1,205,000)    Also  being requested  is a reduction  in                                                             
     TRAAK [Trails  and Recreation  Access for Alaska]  projects to                                                             
     reflect a program allocation decrease.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The following additions are being requested:                                                                               
          $55,416,000   New  or increased federal project authority                                                             
     is  being requested  where scope  changes, funding  breakdown,                                                             
     updated estimates or priorities have changed.                                                                              
          $21,700,000    Project authority  is needed for  earmarks                                                             
     contained   within   the   recently   approved   congressional                                                             
     appropriation bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Finally, the amendment contains  the elimination of individual                                                             
     pavement and bridge projects and combines them into regionwide                                                             
     allocations.  This  will provide  the regions  flexibility  in                                                             
     determining  their greater  need, pavement  or bridge  repair.                                                             
     Similar  adjustments  are taking  place  for AMATS  and  FMATS                                                             
     [Fairbanks Metropolitan  Area Transportation Study]  projects.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The  net  effect  of  these  amendments   is  a  reduction  of                                                             
     $12,220,000   to   the  AMATS   and   Surface   Transportation                                                             
     appropriation  requests.  A spreadsheet  with  the changes  is                                                             
     attached [copy on file].                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken moved for the adoption of Amendment #8 and objected                                                             
for discussion. He shared that the Department of Transportation and                                                             
Public Facilities has submitted  this amendment as the result of an                                                             
expected decrease in FY 04 federal funding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Amendment to Amendment #8: This amendment to the amendment proposes                                                             
to alter the funding  methodology regarding Anchorage  Metropolitan                                                             
Area  Transportation  Study  (AMATS)  and  Fairbanks   Metropolitan                                                             
Transportation Study (FMATS).                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  moved to amend Amendment  #8. He stated  that this                                                             
motion  is  in  response  to  Committee  questions   regarding  the                                                             
amendment's affect on AMATS and  FMATS. Furthermore, he stated that                                                             
the effective  date of June  30, 2003, as  referenced on  page two,                                                             
line eight of Amendment #8, should  be correctly identified as July                                                             
1, 2003. Co-Chair  Wilken objected to the motion in  order to allow                                                             
for further explanation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
At Co-Chair Wilken's request, Senator B. Stevens explained that the                                                             
amendment  to  the  amendment  would  address   Committee  concerns                                                             
regarding proposed funding reductions to AMATS and FMATS. He stated                                                             
that upon  discussion with  the Department,  the determination  was                                                             
made to combine sections  of the budget pertaining  to pavement and                                                             
bridge refurbishment improvements and to divvy up that combined $46                                                             
million in  funding between  the National  Highway System  and non-                                                             
National  Highway   System  entities  also  referred   to  as  non-                                                             
Metropolitan  Planning   Organizations  (non-MPOs)   and  MPOs.  He                                                             
continued  that due  to the  uncertainty  of the  actual amount  of                                                             
federal funding that  would available, intent language  is included                                                             
to specify  that AMATS  would be allocated  its historical  funding                                                             
level of 27 percent and FMATS would be allocated 6.9 percent of the                                                             
forthcoming federal  funds. He stated  "this is a good  solution to                                                             
the issue," and he urged the Committee  to support the amendment to                                                             
the amendment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JEFF OTTESEN,  Acting Director,  Statewide Planning, Department  of                                                             
Transportation and  Public Facilities stated that the  amendment to                                                             
the amendment would compress the  three regional projects breakouts                                                             
into a single line item in the  budget. Subsequently, he continued,                                                             
the intent language would specify  that a pro-rata system, based on                                                             
the Statewide  Transportation Improvement  Plan (STIP) formula,  be                                                             
used to distribute money to the  MPOs. Therefore, he concluded, the                                                             
federal funds received by the State  would be "fairly" appropriated                                                             
to the non-MPOs and MPOs as these federal funds "rise and fall."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked whether the  intent language would negatively                                                             
affect the  flexibility of the  Department to allocate  funding and                                                             
potentially jeopardize construction  projects that might incur cost                                                             
overruns in either Fairbanks or Anchorage.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ottesen responded  that MPOs are allocated a specific  quantity                                                             
of money  to manage. He  stated that were  a project to incur  cost                                                             
overruns, the MPO could shift funding to it. However, he noted that                                                             
by doing so,  the MPO might be  required to delay another  project.                                                             
Additionally, he noted that historically,  when large projects have                                                             
incurred  cost overruns,  MPOs  have submitted  additional  funding                                                             
requests to the State. He communicated that, on occasion, the State                                                             
has awarded additional monies to the MPO.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken removed his objection to the motion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  objection, Amendment  #8, as amended,  was                                                             
ADOPTED.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #10:  This amendment deletes  the "Alaska Boating  Safety                                                             
(ED [Election District] 99)" component and the $720,000 other funds                                                             
appropriation from the Department  of Natural Resources on page 27,                                                             
lines 15 and 16.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  moved for adoption  of Amendment #10  and objected                                                             
for  purposes of  explanation.  He stated  that  when the  original                                                             
Boating  Safety   bill  was  adopted  a  few  years   earlier,  the                                                             
Legislature  understood  that  the  program would  be  100  percent                                                             
federally funded and that no additional  funds would be required to                                                             
administer the program. He communicated that, without affecting the                                                             
federal  contribution, the  State annually  collects  approximately                                                             
$120,000 in user  fees, which are deposited into the  general fund.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked which boating safety programs would be impacted                                                             
by the funding reduction.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  clarified that the  program's overall  funding was                                                             
decreased from  the requested $720,000  to $600,0000. He  mentioned                                                             
that, at the $600,000 level, the  program would receive essentially                                                             
flat funding, as its historical  funding levels were $600,000 in FY                                                             
03 and $660,000 each for FY 02 and FY 01.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman questioned the  Amendment's wording as it indicates                                                             
that the entire funding amount of $720,000 would be eliminated.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 9:12 AM / 9:13 AM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  to Amendment  #10:  This  amendment specifies  that  the                                                             
funding level for the Boating Safety Programs would be $600,000.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken moved to amend Amendment #10. He concurred that the                                                             
dollar amount specified  in the amendment is in error.  He moved to                                                             
amend the amendment  to retain the "Alaska Boating  Safety (ed 99)"                                                             
component and appropriate $600,000  in federal funds. He noted that                                                             
the language  being altered is located  on page 27, line  15 of the                                                             
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection,  Amendment #10, as amended,  was ADOPTED.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #11: This  amendment adds a "Juneau Public  Health Center                                                             
Heating and Ventilation Upgrades,  Phase 2 (ED 3)" component in the                                                             
Department of Health and Social  Services and appropriates $647,191                                                             
general funds and  $142,066 federal funds on page 24.  Accompanying                                                             
explanatory language reads as follows.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  heating  and ventilation  systems  at the  Juneau  Public                                                             
     Health Center  are on the  edge of failure. Restoring  funding                                                             
     for this Governor's request will complete a phased project for                                                             
     which the legislature has appropriated startup money in recent                                                             
     years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The current systems at the Public Health Center are inadequate                                                             
     for patient care, staff comfort, and the air quality necessary                                                             
     at a  medical facility. The systems  are in such dire  need of                                                             
     work that they are out of  compliance with building codes. The                                                             
     existing  stopgap measures  are expensive  electric  baseboard                                                             
     heaters  and opening and closing  windows. Should  the systems                                                             
     fail  completely, patient  care  will be  compromised and  the                                                             
     center may face closure.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Because the heating and ventilation systems must be completely                                                             
     replaced, further phasing of this project is not possible.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson moved for adoption of Amendment #11.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson explained  that this amendment  would address  local                                                             
concerns  regarding an  inadequate  and non-compliant  air  quality                                                             
system at the medical facility.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  reminded  that  the State  has  previously  spend                                                             
approximately  $750,000   on  air  quality  improvements   at  this                                                             
facility. He voiced concern that,  were this amendment adopted, the                                                             
total  amount  spent on  addressing  the  system would  exceed  one                                                             
million  dollars.  He  suggested  that perhaps  the  Center  should                                                             
consider relocating  to another facility,  as the current  system's                                                             
expense would  be "extraordinary."  He asked  the Committee  to not                                                             
adopt this amendment.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  referenced  previous comments  made  by  Co-Chair                                                             
Wilken whereby he had specified that the State would capitalize all                                                             
federal  matching   funds.  Senator  Hoffman  continued   that  the                                                             
amendment denotes that $142,000 in federal funds would be available                                                             
for this  funding request. Therefore,  he asked Co-Chair  Wilken to                                                             
comment about not "capturing" these federal funds.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated  that he was "in error" when  he voiced that                                                             
the State would match all federal  match money. He stated that even                                                             
capturing $142,000  in federal money  "would not make  this project                                                             
better."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
A roll call was taken on the motion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Senator Hoffman and Senator Olson                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
OPPOSED:  Senator B. Stevens,  Senator Taylor,  Senator Bunde,  Co-                                                             
Chair Green and Co-Chair Wilken                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The motion FAILED (2-5)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #11 FAILED to be adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #12: This  amendment adds  a "Division  of Sport Fish                                                                
Lower Kenai River  Public Use Impact Study" component  and $100,000                                                             
Fish and Game Fund appropriation to the Department of Fish and Game                                                             
and inserts intent language to read as follows.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     It is  the intent of  the Legislature  that the Department  of                                                             
     Fish and  Game enter into an  agreement for services  with the                                                             
     Department of  Natural Resources to conduct a  public analysis                                                             
     on  the impact  of overcrowding  on the lower  Kenai River  by                                                             
     recreational user groups.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Accompanying explanatory language reads as follows.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     This  project and  accompanying  intent  language, allows  the                                                             
     Department of Fish and Game to contract with the Department of                                                             
     Natural  Resources (Department  of Natural  Resources) for  an                                                             
     analysis  on the  impact of  overcrowding on  the lower  Kenai                                                             
     River by recreational user groups. The previous Administration                                                             
     imposed a  hasty guide moratorium  on the Kenai River  and the                                                             
     current Administration rescinded that moratorium. This project                                                             
     will enable  the Department of  Natural Resources to  seek the                                                             
     input of recreational users  and businesses before any further                                                             
     use restrictions are imposed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
This amendment  also adds  a "Division  of Wildlife Conservation                                                                
Laboratory  Remodel"  component and  $150,000  Fish  and Game  Fund                                                             
appropriation  for the Department  of Fish  and Game.  Accompanying                                                             
explanatory language reads as follows.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     This  project was submitted  by the  Office of Management  and                                                             
     Budget on March  24, 2003. Backup is attached  [not provided.]                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken moved to  adopt Amendment  #12. He commented  that                                                             
this amendment  would result  in a net zero  change in the  capital                                                             
budget. He clarified  that in order to act upon Amendment  #12, the                                                             
Committee  would be  required  to rescind  its  previous action  on                                                             
Amendment  #6  which  specifies  that the  fund  recipient  be  the                                                             
Department of  Natural Resources.  He explained that Amendment  #12                                                             
correctly  specifies  that  the  recipient  of  the  funds  be  the                                                             
Department  of Fish  and  Game. He  clarified  that  the change  is                                                             
required because State statutes require Department of Fish and Game                                                             
funds to be tunneled through the Department of Fish and Game.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In  order to  act on  Amendment #6,  Co-Chair  Wilken withdrew  his                                                             
motion to adopt Amendment #12.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Without objection, Amendment #12 was WITHDRAWN.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #6: This  amendment adds  a "Division  of Parks    Lower                                                             
Kenai River  Public Use Impact  Study" component and $100,000  Fish                                                             
and Game Fund appropriation to  the Department of Natural Resources                                                             
on page 27. Accompanying explanatory language reads as follows.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     This  project allows  the Department  of Natural Resources  to                                                             
     conduct a public analysis on the impact of overcrowding on the                                                             
     lower Kenai  River by recreational  user groups. The  previous                                                             
     administration  imposed a hasty guide moratorium  on the Kenai                                                             
     River   and   the  current   administration   rescinded   that                                                             
     moratorium. This CIP [Capital Improvement Project] will enable                                                             
     the  Department to seek  the input  of recreational users  and                                                             
     businesses before any further use restrictions are imposed.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This amendment  also adds  a "Division  of Wildlife Conservation                                                                
Laboratory  Remodel"  component and  $150,000  Fish  and Game  Fund                                                             
appropriation  to  the Department  of  Fish and  Game  on page  23.                                                             
Accompanying explanatory language reads as follows.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     This CIP request was submitted by the Office of Management and                                                             
     Budget on March  24, 2003. Backup is attached  [copy on file.]                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor moved  to rescind Committee action on  Amendment #6.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
There being  no objection,  the action  to adopt  Amendment #6  was                                                             
RESCINDED.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #12 was again before the Committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  moved  for  the adoption  of  Amendment  #12.  He                                                             
clarified that  the language in  Amendment #12 specifies  that that                                                             
the funds  be allocated to the  Department of Fish and  Game rather                                                             
than the Department of Natural  Resources as incorrectly identified                                                             
in Amendment #6.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In response  to a  question  from Senator  Taylor, Co-Chair  Wilken                                                             
stated that the funds  in question are Department of  Fish and Game                                                             
funds monies and  would result "in net zero" affect  on the budget.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 12 was ADOPTED.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #13:   This  amendment  deletes  the  "Municipality   of                                                             
                                                  th                                                                            
Anchorage  Laurel St. Upgrade, Dowling Rd. to 64 Avenue (ED 17-                                                                 
32)" component in  the Grants to Municipalities (AS  37.05.315) BRU                                                             
and $270,000 general  fund appropriation on page 9,  lines 13   16.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
This  amendment  also  inserts  a  "Municipality   of  Anchorage                                                                
Raspberry Road Upgrade, Minnesota Drive to Arctic Boulevard (ED 17-                                                             
32)"  component  in  the  in  the  Grants   to  Municipalities  (AS                                                             
37.05.315) BRU on  page 9, lines 13   16 and appropriates  $270,000                                                             
general funds.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Accompanying explanatory language reads as follows.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     According to  the Municipality of Anchorage, sufficient  local                                                             
     bond  funding  is  available  to complete  the  Laurel  Street                                                             
     Upgrade.  This  amendment would  utilize  $270,000  previously                                                             
     identified for  Laurel Street Upgrade to fund  the State owned                                                             
     portion of the Raspberry Road Upgrade project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  moved  for  the adoption  of  Amendment  #13  and                                                             
objected  for  explanation.  He stated  that  this is  a  technical                                                             
amendment to redirect funding to upgrade Raspberry Road rather than                                                             
Laurel Street in Anchorage. He noted that the funding element would                                                             
remain constant.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken removed his objection.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
There being no further objection, Amendment #13 was ADOPTED.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #14: This  amendment to the Department of  Transportation                                                             
and Public Facilities budget is outlined in a letter to the co-                                                                 
chairs  of the  Senate  Finance  Committee  and the  House  Finance                                                             
Committee from  Cheryl Frasca, Director,  Office of Management  and                                                             
Budget, dated May 6, 2003, as follows.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Amendment 1                                                                                                                
     Amends the title of the Surface Transportation Program                                                                     
     allocation                                                                                                                 
     From:                                                                                                                      
     "Anchorage Metropolitan Area Transportation System 2004                                                                    
     Preventative Maintenance on State Roads"                                                                                   
     To:                                                                                                                        
     "Anchorage Metropolitan Area Transportation System 2004                                                                    
     Preventative Maintenance State and Local Roads"                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Amendment 2                                                                                                                
     Amends the title of the Surface Transportation Program                                                                     
     allocation                                                                                                                 
     From:                                                                                                                      
     "Fairbanks Metropolitan Area Transportation System 2004                                                                    
     Preventative Maintenance on State Roads"                                                                                   
     To:                                                                                                                        
     "Fairbanks Metropolitan Area Transportation System 2004                                                                    
     Preventative Maintenance State and Local Roads"                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[Note: The components are not specified in the committee substitute                                                             
as indicated.]                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  presented Amendment  #14  on behalf  of  Governor                                                             
Murkowski's Administration.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken communicated that  this is a technical amendment in                                                             
that  it would  expand  some  previously  adopted AMATS  and  FMATS                                                             
project  titles to include  preventive road  maintenance for  local                                                             
roads, in addition to State roads.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor asked for clarification  that this is a title change                                                             
rather than a reappropriation of funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stevens verified  that the projects  have previously  been                                                             
approved  in the  legislation and  that  this action  "is simply  a                                                             
technical correction."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment #14 was ADOPTED.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #15: This amendment adds a "City of Palmer   Eagle Avenue                                                             
Improvement  (ED   1316)   component  and  $200,000   general  fund                                                             
appropriation to the Grants to Municipalities (AS 37.05.315) BRU on                                                             
page 3, lines 21 and 22.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
This amendment also reduces the  general fund appropriations in the                                                             
following  amounts to  the following  components in  the Grants  to                                                             
Municipalities (AS 37.05.315) BRU.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, lines 23 - 25                                                                                                      
     City of Wasilla    Gravel to Asphalt Road Program  (ED 13-16)                                                              
     Reduce $250,000 to $150,000                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, lines 26  28                                                                                                       
     City of Wasilla  Maintenance Building (ED 13-16)                                                                           
     Reduce $200,000 to $150,000                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, lines 29 and 30                                                                                                    
     City of Wasilla  Sports Arena Equipment (ED 13-16)                                                                         
     Reduce $75,000 to $25,000                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Accompanying explanatory language reads as follows.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The net impact  of this amendment to CS SB 100  (FIN) is zero.                                                             
     Eagle Avenue is a significant  collector street connecting the                                                             
     Glenn Highway with north Palmer  neighborhoods and the Sherrod                                                             
     School and Swanson  School complex. The street  is presently a                                                             
     gravel  street. This  project will  reconstruct  approximately                                                             
     2,000 feet of Eagle Avenue from the Glenn Highway to the North                                                             
     Valley Way  intersection to a  paved street with  drainage and                                                             
     sidewalk improvements.  This project is important  to the City                                                             
     as a new elementary school  located at the end of Eagle Avenue                                                             
     is opening in the fall of 2003.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green moved to adopt Amendment #15.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken objected for an explanation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  stated that this  amendment would shift  some funds                                                             
from the City of Wasilla to support a street project in the City of                                                             
Palmer.  She  noted  that  the  amendment   is  supported  by  both                                                             
communities and would produce a net zero affect on the budget.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken removed his objection.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
There being no further objection, Amendment #15 was ADOPTED.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #16:  This amendment adds  a "Federally Funded  Landowner                                                             
Incentive Program   Bristol Bay/North  Aleutians project" component                                                             
and $1,642,500 federal funds to  the Department of Fish and Game on                                                             
page 23, line 21.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman moved to adopt Amendment #16.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman spoke  to  the amendment  by  specifying that  the                                                             
amendment would provide  $1.6 million in federal funds  to purchase                                                             
land. He informed  the Committee that several land  user groups are                                                             
participating in this project.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken noted that a $500,000  [unspecified] match would be                                                             
required in  order to receive  $1.6 million  in federal funds  with                                                             
which to  purchase conservation  easements on  private land  in the                                                             
Dillingham/Bristol  Bay region.  He reminded  the Committee  of its                                                             
"considerable  discussions" regarding  the removal of private  land                                                             
from tax rolls and from potential development. He stated that these                                                             
are the primary reasons for his objection to the amendment.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman understood  that the vast majority  of the affected                                                             
land would remain in private ownership.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken agreed, but asserted that the conservation easement                                                             
might hinder future development of the land.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT  WALKER,  Staff  to Senator  Lyman  Hoffman,  informed  that  a                                                             
coalition comprised  of fishing guides, local Native  Corporations,                                                             
and local  community entities has  been formed in Southwest  Alaska                                                             
with the  intent of  furthering fishing  and sporting endeavors  to                                                             
provide future economic  development opportunities  in the region.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken understood that  a conservation easement "would not                                                             
allow future development of the land."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Walker responded that the intent of the coalition is to open up                                                             
the region to these activities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor inquired  as to how  an easement  would affect  the                                                             
viability  of the land;  specifically how  would it "make  property                                                             
better or worse."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Walker  stated that the coalition  is working to avoid  adverse                                                             
impacts on the land.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor asked  for further information  regarding  possible                                                             
adverse impacts.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Walker responded that pollution might be an adverse impact.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor stated,  "that development  could  only happen"  if                                                             
private owners chose  to sell the land to developers  or develop it                                                             
themselves.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Walker  clarified  that  the  Southwest  Alaska  coalition  is                                                             
comprised of  a multitude of people  in the area including  private                                                             
landowners. She noted  that a resolution [copy on file]  in support                                                             
of the easement has been provided with the amendment.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  stated that, without  these funds, the  land could                                                             
not be purchased and utilized to enhance the economy of the region.                                                             
He asked Ms.  Walker how the status  of the land would  be affected                                                             
were it not purchased.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Walker responded that she is unsure of the affect.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken understood  that  10,000  acres of  land could  be                                                             
purchased;  however,  he attested  that the  acreage  has not  been                                                             
identified.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde commented  that, "realistically ? the  only industry"                                                             
that could be developed  in this region would be sport  fishing and                                                             
sport hunting. He voiced that granting conservation easements would                                                             
have "little negative impact."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  characterized this  situation as a "policy  call,"                                                             
since this transaction would involve mainly federal funds.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor  asked for  examples  of  the entities  that  would                                                             
provide the matching funds.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Walker stated that, in addition  to the $1.6 million in federal                                                             
funds,   a  $500,000  local   match,  including   money  from   the                                                             
Conservation  Fund,   would  be  required.  She  stated   that  the                                                             
Department of Fish and Game has  been working with the Conservation                                                             
Fund on this issue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor   asked  for  further  information   regarding  the                                                             
Conservation Fund organization.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken noted  that he could provide information  [copy not                                                             
provided] regarding the Conservation  Fund and the Southwest Alaska                                                             
Coalition to Committee members.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stevens  asked the  current  titleholder  of  the land  in                                                             
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman responded that  the land is private property and he                                                             
assumed that it belonged to a Native corporation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman removed his motion  to adopt Amendment #16 in order                                                             
to obtain further information to present to the Committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being  no objection,  the motion to  adopt Amendment  #16 was                                                             
WITHDRAWN.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken   stated  that   the  information  regarding   the                                                             
Conservation  Fund  and the  Southwest  Alaska Coalition  would  be                                                             
provided to Members.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     HOUSE BILL NO. 170(efd fld S)                                                                                              
     "An Act increasing certain motor vehicle registration fees."                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first  hearing for  this bill  in the Senate  Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken noted that the  House Rules Committee presents this                                                             
legislation  at the request  of the Governor.  He stated that  this                                                             
bill would  increase motor  vehicle registration,  title, and  lien                                                             
filing fees.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DUANE BANNOCK, Director, Division  of Motor Vehicles, Department of                                                             
Administration testified via teleconference from an offnet location                                                             
in Anchorage to note that while  the current vehicle licensing fees                                                             
have "barely changed" in thirty years, the expenses associated with                                                             
providing the service  have been increasing. He explained  that one                                                             
of the  three primary sections  addressed by  the bill pertains  to                                                             
non-commercial vehicles, which account for approximately 70 percent                                                             
of  the  licensed  vehicles  in the  State.  He  stated  that  this                                                             
classification  of  vehicles  would  be assessed  a  $100  biennial                                                             
registration  fee, which he  stated would be  a slight increase  in                                                             
fees. Furthermore,  he shared that  existing pick-up truck  or non-                                                             
pick-up  truck  subsections   within  the  non-commercial   vehicle                                                             
classification would be eliminated.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bannock  continued that  the second  section addressed  in this                                                             
legislation specifies  that commercial vehicles would  experience a                                                             
ten-dollar  annual   registration  fee  increase.   He  noted  that                                                             
commercial  vehicle owners  would have the  option of paying  their                                                             
fees on an annual or biennial basis.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bannock noted  that the  third section  would  provide for  an                                                             
increase in title, duplicate title, and lien fees.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor asked for  more information  regarding how  vehicle                                                             
weight would  affect the registration  fees charged for  commercial                                                             
vehicles, as specified in Section 2 of the bill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bannock  responded   that  the  State  has  established   four                                                             
commercial class fee structures, based on vehicle weight. He stated                                                             
that the amount  of the increase  being proposed would equate  to a                                                             
ten-dollar  across  the  board annual  increase  of  current  fees.                                                             
Additionally, he noted that an existing one-dollar annual reduction                                                             
incentive would be eliminated.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  moved  to  report  the  bill  from  Committee  with                                                             
individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal note.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor objected  to  the motion.  He  voiced concern  that                                                             
issues might develop regarding  a disproportionate fee between some                                                             
of the various classes of commercial  vehicles such as semi-tractor                                                             
trailers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor withdrew his objection.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further objection;  HB 170(efd fld S)  was REPORTED                                                             
from Committee  with  zero fiscal  note #1 from  the Department  of                                                             
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     HOUSE BILL NO. 256                                                                                                         
     "An Act relating to a dividend payment to the state made by                                                                
     the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation each fiscal year; and                                                               
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first  hearing for  this bill  in the Senate  Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated that the  House Finance Committee  sponsors                                                             
this legislation, which "amends and codifies the existing agreement                                                             
between  the Alaska  Housing  Finance  Corporation  (AHFC) and  the                                                             
Legislature regarding  an annual AHFC dividend." He  continued that                                                             
this legislation  would provide for  a $103,000,000 dividend  while                                                             
maintaining AHFC's strong bond rating.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #1: This  amendment changes the fiscal year  date from FY                                                             
2007 to FY 2008 in Sec. 2, subsection  (5)(B) on page 4, line 13 in                                                             
HB 256, Version 23-LS0838\I.  This language would read  as follows.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          (B)  minus the amount  of money  from the Alaska  Housing                                                             
     Finance  Corporation  used during  fiscal year  2008 for  bond                                                             
     repayments and  other costs related to the bonds  issued under                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  moved to adopt Amendment  #1. He stated  that this                                                             
amendment addresses  a technical change in the bill  and is offered                                                             
at the request of AHFC.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment #1 was ADOPTED.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DAN  FAUSKE CEO  and  Executive Director,  Alaska  Housing  Finance                                                             
Corporation, Department of Revenue spoke in support of the bill. He                                                             
reviewed that  the AHFC dividend  transfer plan was established  in                                                             
1995  as a  means of  transferring some  of  the Corporation's  net                                                             
profits  to the  State to  support,  in particular,  State  capital                                                             
projects. He stated that a major concern addressed in those initial                                                             
discussions was that  the specified transfer amount  not affect the                                                             
Corporation's credit ratings. For  numerous years, he declared, the                                                             
total annual  transfer  amount has  been $103 million,  based  on a                                                             
variety of factors including net income levels.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fauske  expressed that,  in  recent  years, the  reduction  in                                                             
lending interest  rates has resulted  in a significant  increase in                                                             
the  Corporation's  lending  activities   as  well  as  "investment                                                             
earnings on  short-term monies."  However, he informed  that, while                                                             
"the business  profile is excellent,  the Corporation's  net income                                                             
has fallen."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske  explained that in 2002,  in anticipation of  continuing                                                             
lower  net  income levels,  AHFC  requested  that  the  Legislature                                                             
readdress the  amount of the  AHFC dividend  paid to the  State. He                                                             
informed that the Corporation's FY 03 net income is projected to be                                                             
approximately $75.6 million; and therefore, he asserted that a plan                                                             
must  be  developed  to  enable  the  Corporation  to  continue  to                                                             
contribute  the  $103 million  amount  "that  the State  has  grown                                                             
accustomed to." Additionally, he  stressed that the plan must allow                                                             
the Corporation to be sustained at a level that would not adversely                                                             
affect its  ability to conduct its  business. He stressed  that the                                                             
level  must  also be  acceptable  to the  financial  community  and                                                             
investors.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske noted that this legislation would address these concerns                                                             
by proposing that "a percentage of net program" be implemented that                                                             
would allow  a gradual reduction  in the  amount of dividend  being                                                             
paid to the State. The proposed plan, he explained, would allow the                                                             
total dividend that  would be paid to the State for  the next three                                                             
fiscal years to remain at the current  $103 million level and that,                                                             
by FY 09, the amount  of the dividend would be calculated  at a 75-                                                             
percent of net income level. He  reminded that the final payment on                                                             
a $50 million debt service that AHFC assumed on behalf of the State                                                             
would be paid off in December of 2006.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fauske  communicated  that   this  proposal  would  allow  the                                                             
Corporation to increase its equity  position; would allow dividends                                                             
to be paid  to the State, which  is its parental entity;  and would                                                             
provide the Corporation with sufficient  monies to reinvest in AHFC                                                             
programs in order to continue its  viability and continue to retain                                                             
its healthy  and predictable  profile with  financial entities.  He                                                             
opined that in consideration  of the Corporation's  current status,                                                             
"this is  a good bill."  He assured that,  as the financial  market                                                             
progresses, the issue could be revisited.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor asked whether a separate proposal for a five-percent                                                             
of market value annual dividend program would provide the stability                                                             
and  continuity that  AHFC  would  require. Furthermore,  he  asked                                                             
whether a program of this type  would be more acceptable to the New                                                             
York City Wall Street financial market than this legislation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOE DUBLER,  Chief Financial Officer  and Finance Director,  Alaska                                                             
Housing Finance Corporation, Department  of Revenue stated that the                                                             
amount of the FY 04 transfer, based  on this bill's language, would                                                             
amount to  5.8 percent of the Corporation's  total liquidity  as of                                                             
June 30, 2002. He stated that this bill would allow the Corporation                                                             
to implement  a payout policy based  on net income as opposed  to a                                                             
payout based on net  assets. He noted that this predictable  payout                                                             
would be acceptable to Wall Street  investors and would, therefore,                                                             
enable AHFC to continue to fulfill  its mission of providing access                                                             
to housing for Alaskans. He opined that paying a dividend "based on                                                             
percentage of net income is the appropriate approach" for AHFC.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor acknowledged  that a dividend based  on a percent of                                                             
net income would be more appropriate program as, he calculated that                                                             
a percent of asset formula "would  eventually, significantly erode"                                                             
the Corporation's asset base.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SFC 03 # 79, Side B 09:49 AM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor furthered  that a dividend program that  might erode                                                             
the  Corporation's  asset base  would  negate  the ability  of  the                                                             
Corporation to lend money, which  is the basis of the Corporation's                                                             
mission.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  stated  that  the  proposal  specifies  that  the                                                             
dividend to be paid in fiscal years  2007 through 2009 would be 95,                                                             
85, and 75 percent of net income, respectfully, based on the "prior                                                             
year's  income minus debt  service."  He asked for  a recap  of the                                                             
formula specified for FY 04 through FY 06.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler clarified that the annual dividend for fiscal years 2004                                                             
through 2006 would be $103 million  rather than a percentage of net                                                             
income.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked how $103 million would equate to a percentage                                                             
of net income basis.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler explained  that the annual dividend determination  would                                                             
be calculated  as a percent  of the net  income of the base  fiscal                                                             
year, which is the  fiscal year ending two years before  the end of                                                             
the current fiscal year. In response to Senator Hoffman's question,                                                             
he calculated that the $103 million  dividend in FY 04 would equate                                                             
to 147 percent of the FY 02 net income; the FY 05 dividend would be                                                             
150  percent of  the projected  FY  03 net  income, and  the FY  06                                                             
dividend would  equate to  147 percent of  the projected FY  04 net                                                             
income.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked  how these dividend levels, which  are higher                                                             
than 100 percent of net income, would affect the Corporation's bond                                                             
ratings with  consideration given that,  as of FY 07;  the dividend                                                             
would be determined at a lower percentage of net income rate.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske qualified that the Corporation  has been paying out more                                                             
than it has  been earning for several  years. He asserted  that the                                                             
dividend program specified in this legislation recognizes that AHFC                                                             
is a strong financial institution and that, while the FY 04, FY 05,                                                             
and FY  06 dividends  would exceed  net income,  "relief" would  be                                                             
forthcoming in later years.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske relayed that "there has always been apprehension" in the                                                             
Stock Market  that the State would  request dividends in  excess of                                                             
$103  million.  He   communicated  that  "the  strength"   in  this                                                             
legislation is  that it "would place  in statute a predictable  and                                                             
sustainable payout  to the State."  He communicated that  while the                                                             
investment  market  is unpredictable,  expectations  are  that,  in                                                             
contrast to the current refinancing  trend, the next market "cycle"                                                             
would  allow  the Corporation  to  experience  an increase  in  net                                                             
profits due to an increase in conventional loans to first-time home                                                             
buyers  and   an  increase  in   the  interest  levels   earned  on                                                             
Corporation's investments.  He stated that during discussions  with                                                             
the rating agencies,  it is recognized that AHFC must  begin making                                                             
contributions into its "equity positions" over time.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dubler commented  that  this legislation  is  based on  AHFC's                                                             
historical  financial   projection  methodology  that   takes  into                                                             
consideration such things as the  Corporation's long-term bonds. He                                                             
noted that while  AHFC's longer-range financial projection  mode is                                                             
atypical to the normal  State financial projection  methodology, it                                                             
"has worked very well" for the Corporation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked the Corporation  to distribute to  Committee                                                             
members a pro forma  document titled "Summary of Projected  Amounts                                                             
Available  for Appropriation"  [copy  on file]  that was  developed                                                             
during  initial  discussions  on this  bill.  He stated  that  this                                                             
document  would provide  Members  with projected  dividend  amounts                                                             
based on a percent of net income formula.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken pointed out  that other  material in the  Members'                                                             
packet includes a  Moody's Investors Service report  [copy on file]                                                             
dated  March 2003  that specifies  that, of  the 15  states with  a                                                             
Housing  Finance  Corporation  (HFC), Alaska's  program  is  ranked                                                             
number two "in its contribution back to the State." Furthermore, he                                                             
noted  that  the report  highlights  the  concern that  states  are                                                             
demanding higher levels of contribution  from their HFCs. He called                                                             
to  the Committee's  attention  the fact  that  AHFC contributes  a                                                             
"significantly" higher  amount per capita than other  HFC programs.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green voiced  that the sponsor's statement  "implies" that                                                             
the AHFC  dividend would  fund debt service  for certain bonds  and                                                             
capital projects.  However, she noted  that language in  Section 1,                                                             
page 1, beginning  on line 7, specifies that, "the  legislature may                                                             
appropriate  the dividend  for  capital projects."  She  questioned                                                             
whether this language should be  changed to include the phrase debt                                                             
service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler responded  that debt service is addressed  in Section 1,                                                             
subsection (2) that reads as follows.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     (2) minus the amount of money from the corporation used during                                                             
     that current fiscal year for bond repayment and other costs                                                                
     related to the bonds issued under                                                                                          
        (A) ch.26, SLA 1996, up to a maximum of $1,000,000;                                                                     
          (B) sec. 10(b), ch. 130, SLA 2000;                                                                                    
          (C) sec. 1, ch. 1, SSSLA 2002; and                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green surmised, therefore, that this language provides for                                                             
the inclusion of the debt service in the calculation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green noted that separate legislation being entertained by                                                             
the Committee  contains  a different  definition of  the term  "net                                                             
income." Therefore,  she questioned "the appropriateness"  of there                                                             
being multiple definitions of this term in State regulations.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler  explained that the difficulty  in arriving at  a single                                                             
definition of  the term net income  arises from ongoing  changes in                                                             
the nationally recognized  General Accounting Standards.  He stated                                                             
that programs have been formulated using whatever definition was in                                                             
effect at  the time. Therefore, he  attested that to adjust  to one                                                             
terminology  would  be  tedious;  and  therefore,   each  situation                                                             
involving net income is defined accordingly.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green continued  to  voice  concern that  State  statutes                                                             
incorporate numerous  definitions of net income. She  asked whether                                                             
crafting one definition would be possible.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dubler stated  that  a goal  of  financial accountants  is  to                                                             
develop one definition. Unfortunately, he stated, the process might                                                             
be lengthy due to the multitude  of entities and terminologies that                                                             
would be affected.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  voiced frustration  at being required to  determine                                                             
which  net  income   definition  is  specific  to   each  piece  of                                                             
legislation being addressed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked the present  AHFC financial rating as well as                                                             
what bond rating  projections the Corporation expects  after FY 04.                                                             
Furthermore, he asked what type  of housing loans would be expected                                                             
based on State population growth forecasts.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske stated that currently  the Corporation has an AA and AA+                                                             
rating by two major  rating agencies; however, he voiced  that were                                                             
the ratings determined by statistical analysis, AHFC would be rated                                                             
AAA as it is one of the strongest performing HFAs in the nation. He                                                             
voiced that the official rating  is affected by subjective criteria                                                             
based on  such things as  the State's  economy, the State's  fiscal                                                             
gap,  the activity  in Prudhoe  Bay,  and the  fishing industry  in                                                             
Bristol Bay.  He credited the Legislature  for honoring  the intent                                                             
language specified  in every AHFC appropriation bill,  as he stated                                                             
that  that action  has allowed  AHFC  to maintain  its high  credit                                                             
rating.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske  predicted that  were this  legislation adopted,  AHFC's                                                             
credit rating would further improve  and that the Corporation would                                                             
be able to  contribute more to  the State without jeopardizing  its                                                             
ability to carry out its mission or negatively affecting its credit                                                             
rating.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske continued that AHFC  tracks the economy closely in order                                                             
to  effectively   anticipate  future  business  opportunities.   He                                                             
attested that such things as unemployment and demographics changes,                                                             
including an aging population,  are monitored. He stressed that the                                                             
job market is critical to a healthy  economy, as jobs are necessary                                                             
to attract  younger  people who  might purchase  homes and  require                                                             
loans. He avowed  that because AHFC is a strong entity  with a good                                                             
market share, financial programs  such as Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac                                                             
and other major lenders are able to operate in the State. He voiced                                                             
confidence  that  the  Legislature  would  adequately  address  the                                                             
State's  fiscal situation,  as he  qualified that  a healthy  State                                                             
fiscal plan is important  to the State and to the success  of AHFC.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske stressed  that the housing market must be  sustained, as                                                             
it is a "big player" in the State's economy in that it "occupies 25                                                             
percent of the State's domestic product."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman concluded therefore,  that AHFC does not anticipate                                                             
a drop in their bond ratings through FY 09.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fauske affirmed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor voiced that this  legislation would establish policy                                                             
regarding AHFC dividends today  and for the future. He allowed that                                                             
while the  proposed  formula could  be changed in  the future,  the                                                             
proposal  currently "gives  an illusion  to the  market and to  the                                                             
people of Alaska" that the State  "would not get so desperate as to                                                             
liquidate an asset" that provides  funds to the State. "As a fiscal                                                             
conservative," he argued that the  legislation should be altered to                                                             
eliminate the requirement of a  $103 million dividend in FY 04, and                                                             
immediately  set in motion  the proposed  percentage of net  income                                                             
payout as, he declared, that continuing the status quo dividend for                                                             
three years would be an invasion of the Corporation's corpus.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked regarding  the recurring phrase "unrestricted,                                                             
unencumbered money of the corporation"  in Sec. 2 subsection (2)(C)                                                             
located on  page 3, lines  1  3 and Sec.  2, subsection (3)  (C) on                                                             
page 3, lines 25-27 that reads as follows                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          (2)(C)   minus   any   appropriation   of   unrestricted,                                                             
     unencumbered money of the corporation during fiscal year 2005,                                                             
     other than  an appropriation  for the corporation's  operating                                                             
     budget;                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          (3)(C) minus any appropriation of unrestricted,                                                                       
     unencumbered money of the corporation during fiscal year 2006,                                                             
     other than an appropriation for the corporation's operating                                                                
     budget;                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler responded that this  language is included "in an attempt                                                             
to make an all encompassing reference"  to all funds transferred to                                                             
the State  by the Corporation in  order to prevent the  Legislature                                                             
from classifying  some of those funds as non-dividends,  and saying                                                             
that "they don't count."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked whether  this language  is a change  from the                                                             
historical recognition of transferred  funds, and she asked whether                                                             
it would allow funds to be "manipulated."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler responded that the concept of this language is to define                                                             
which funds  being transferred  from  AHFC to the  State should  be                                                             
recognized as "a dividend."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor ascertained,  therefore, that other  funds the State                                                             
might  receive  from   AHFC  would  be  classified   as  "operating                                                             
expenses."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dubler reiterated that the intent of the language is to clarify                                                             
which  of  the  funds being  transferred  to  the  State  would  be                                                             
considered  dividends.  He  communicated  that  the bill  could  be                                                             
amended to provide further clarification.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor  moved  to report  the  bill  from  Committee  with                                                             
individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal note.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There  being no  objection,  SCS HB  256  (FIN) was  REPORTED  from                                                             
Committee with zero fiscal note  #1 from the Department of Revenue.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 202                                                                                                        
     "An Act relating to school transportation; relating to the                                                                 
     base student allocation used in the formula for state funding                                                              
     of public education; and providing for an effective date."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first  hearing for  this bill  in the Senate  Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated  that the Senate Finance Committee  sponsors                                                             
this legislation. He shared that  this legislation would change the                                                             
methodology  of  the grant  program  that  the  State has  used  to                                                             
reimburse K-12  public education  school districts for  local pupil                                                             
transportation expenses. In addition, he stated that the bill would                                                             
increase  the per  student base  allocation funding  to $4,169,  an                                                             
increase  of $159 per  student, by  absorbing Learning  Opportunity                                                             
Grants  that  total   $2.2  million  into  the  student   education                                                             
foundation formula.  Co-chair Wilken  suggested that the  Committee                                                             
address these two bill components separately.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN ALCANTRA,  Government Relations  Director, National  Education                                                             
Association of Alaska  (NEA-Alaska) stated that the  State's 12,700                                                             
public school employees  who belong to NEA-Alaska realize  that the                                                             
Committee's recently adopted operating budget bill is contingent on                                                             
the two issues addressed  in this bill. He voiced appreciation  for                                                             
the Committee's  efforts toward  increasing the  level of  the base                                                             
student allocation  funding which he declared would  provide school                                                             
districts  "stability of funding  and help them  reach some  of the                                                             
requirements of the State (Education) Standards."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Alcantra voiced appreciation for the $159 per student increase,                                                             
but announced that NEA-Alaska's  "ultimate" base student allocation                                                             
goal  is $4,280  per student.  He  communicated  that according  to                                                             
nationally recognized business  research [not provided], the $4,280                                                             
funding level would assist school districts in addressing projected                                                             
"one-year  inflationary costs  and just one  year of unmet  needs."                                                             
Continuing, he informed the Committee that this research recommends                                                             
a five-year phased in increase of $365 per student, plus additional                                                             
funds to address  the inflationary erosion of funding.  However, he                                                             
stated, that in recognition  of the State's fiscal  situation, NEA-                                                             
Alaska is  limiting their funding  request to the one-year  funding                                                             
request of  $4,280 per student. He  stated that this request  would                                                             
cost the State an additional $23  million in FY 04 and would assist                                                             
in accomplishing the State's constitutionally mandated provision to                                                             
provide quality public education.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Alcantra reminded  Committee members that the FY  03 budget was                                                             
based on a specific  crude oil barrel price along with  a specified                                                             
draw on the Constitutional  Budget Reserve (CBR). He  attested that                                                             
because the average price per barrel  for the initial ten months of                                                             
the fiscal year exceeded the specified price, the amount drawn from                                                             
the CBR account was  reduced. Therefore, he suggested  that some of                                                             
those CBR savings could be used to support the proposed $23 million                                                             
FY 04 funding increase  that would be needed to adequately  support                                                             
student education funding.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE: At  this point, a brief  and indiscernible dialogue  between                                                             
Senator Bunde and the testifier transpired.]                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked whether a "guarantee  of results" such  as the                                                             
majority of  high school students  passing the State's  High School                                                             
Graduation Qualifying  Examination (HSGQE), could be  provided were                                                             
this funding request approved.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Alcantra remarked  that  education standard  requirements  are                                                             
important. He stated that no guarantees could be provided to ensure                                                             
that all students,  including those identified by measures  such as                                                             
the federal  No Child Left Behind  Act, would pass the  high school                                                             
exit exam; however, he avowed that an appropriate education funding                                                             
level would assist districts in providing the most important aspect                                                             
of  an education  which  is  providing  quality  teachers,  quality                                                             
support professionals and other necessary resources.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken mentioned  that Senator Bunde was one  of the prime                                                             
sponsors of the HSGQE legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON,  Representative,  the Alaska  Association of  School                                                             
Boards,  thanked  the  Committee  for  consolidating  the  Learning                                                             
Opportunity  Grants into the  total funding  allocated to  the base                                                             
student  allocation  formula as  it  would assist  school  district                                                             
funding. He testified that while the issue of flat funding remains,                                                             
it could be addressed at another time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman voiced concern  regarding  "the eroding floor"  of                                                             
unmet funding needs, as referenced  in the "Change to Floor" column                                                             
in the  Department's fiscal  note #1 analysis.  He noted that  were                                                             
this legislation  adopted, $1.4 million  would be allocated  toward                                                             
that eroding floor; however, he asked the Department to provide the                                                             
Committee with  the remaining "unmet"  funding need level  for each                                                             
school district.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken stated  that the Department of Education  and Early                                                             
Development  would address  Senator  Hoffman's  concern during  its                                                             
forthcoming testimony.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MARY   FRANCIS,  Representative,   Alaska   School   Administrators                                                             
Association, testified that the  administrators "add their voice to                                                             
those who support  the increase in the base student  allocation" as                                                             
it assists in addressing the funding "erosion" that has been taking                                                             
place. She  avowed that,  "this is a  more protected mechanism  for                                                             
raising the student allocation                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated that this  concludes the testimony regarding                                                             
the  base  student  allocation  funding.   He  specified  that  the                                                             
transportation component of the bill would now be addressed.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDDY JEANS,  School Finance  Manager, Department  of Education  and                                                             
Early Development,  responded to Senator Hoffman's  "eroding floor"                                                             
question  by  stating   that  the  Department  would   develop  and                                                             
distribute to Members a schedule  that would reflect "the remaining                                                             
balance of the supplemental  funding floor" were this  bill to take                                                             
effect.  He   estimated  that,   were  this  legislation   adopted,                                                             
approximately $1.5 million could  be allocated toward the remaining                                                             
supplemental funding  floor balance of approximately  $9.5 million.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken read from  a school  transportation cost  schedule                                                             
[not provided]  that denoted the  increase in pupil  transportation                                                             
expenses from FY  97 to FY 03. He stated that transportation  costs                                                             
in FY 97 amounted to $32.8 million  in general funds and a total of                                                             
$53.9  million in  general  funds in  FY 03.  He  stated that  this                                                             
equates  to an eleven-percent  increase  per year.  He stated  that                                                             
numerous options, such as awarding contracts, are being proposed to                                                             
address this expense.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans explained  that currently the State reimburses  districts                                                             
for  transportation  expenses  according  to  specified  percentage                                                             
levels  that are determined  by such  things as  whether the  route                                                             
meets  the minimum  distance from  a  school or  meets the  minimum                                                             
number  of students  per route  requirements. He  pointed out  that                                                             
exceptions  are  currently  in place  to  allow  reimbursement  for                                                             
situations wherein a local school board might authorize a bus route                                                             
in an area that does not meet the  minimum distance requirement but                                                             
is deemed to have hazardous conditions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans stated  that,  in an  effort to  contain  transportation                                                             
expenses,  this proposal  would provide  a grant  to each  district                                                             
based on the  total amount of the  district's FY 03  transportation                                                             
expenses divided  by the number of students enrolled  that year. He                                                             
continued that the resulting number would be identified as the base                                                             
per student  dollar. This base  dollar amount, he continued,  would                                                             
then be multiplied  by the current  year's enrollment  to determine                                                             
the grant total, specific to that  district. He mentioned that were                                                             
the district  to lower its transportation  costs by, for  instance,                                                             
consolidating  routes, the resulting  savings could be used  by the                                                             
district for other purposes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans  pointed  out  that,  even  though  the  Department  has                                                             
encouraged  districts to  seek transportation  efficiencies,  costs                                                             
have  continued   to  increase.  He  noted  that  in   addition  to                                                             
reimbursing  districts  for  their  transportation   expenses,  the                                                             
current  program  includes a  provision  that provides  a  built-in                                                             
inflation factor allowance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans attested,  that, in his experience, these  transportation                                                             
contracts  have not  provided  savings  because "there  was  little                                                             
incentive"  to the school  district to negotiate  the price  of the                                                             
contract  with the  transportation  provider. He  stated that  this                                                             
grant program would provide the  district with "the flexibility" to                                                             
negotiate with the provider.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  referred  the  Committee  to  the  Department  of                                                             
Education and  Early Development fiscal  note #2 which  denotes the                                                             
impact of the grant program on each school district.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Wilken asked  Mr. Jeans  to explain the  "$1,200 cap  per                                                             
student" as noted in the fiscal note #2 spreadsheet.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans  responded  that  the Department  is  making  a  "policy                                                             
statement"  by specifying  $1,200 as  the maximum  limit the  State                                                             
would pay per student for transportation  expenses. He communicated                                                             
that five districts currently exceed this limit: the Alaska Gateway                                                             
District  with  a rate  of  $1,464  per student;  the  Bristol  Bay                                                             
District with  a rate of $1,322;  the Copper River District  with a                                                             
rate of $1,300;  the Delta/Greely  District with a rate  of $1,351;                                                             
and the Southeast Island District with a rate of $1,234. He pointed                                                             
out that private entities are under  contract in these districts to                                                             
provide  student   transportation.   He  commented  that,   "it  is                                                             
conceivable"  that districts could  reduce transportation  costs by                                                             
conducting that service "in-house."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans allowed  that costs would be more difficult  to negotiate                                                             
in areas where there is a single bidder or limited competition.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor  summarized  that  this   legislation  would  allow                                                             
individual school districts to  receive transportation funding, but                                                             
at a level based upon their FY 03 funding.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans affirmed that the determination  would be based on the FY                                                             
03  per student  transportation  funding amount  as  it relates  to                                                             
current student enrollment. He  voiced that were student enrollment                                                             
to lower or increase, the amount allocated would follow suit.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken opined that  this methodology,  if adopted,  would                                                             
continue until such time as the Legislature changes it.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans concurred.  He forecast that the Legislature  might alter                                                             
the amount as a result of school district lobbying for a percentage                                                             
increase that would be allocated across the board.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor asked  whether this  legislation could  "lock  in a                                                             
number" on a statewide basis.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  stated that rather than  designating a specific  amount,                                                             
the grant level would  fluctuate according to a district's  student                                                             
enrollment each year. He stated  that this proposal is projected to                                                             
cost the State $54 million in FY 04.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor surmised that were  the number of students to remain                                                             
the same, the grant total would remain constant.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans concurred.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor argued,  therefore, that this proposal  would reward                                                             
districts  with  increasing  enrollment  and  "punish"  those  with                                                             
lowering enrollment.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans countered  that  the current  reimbursement  program  is                                                             
viewed by school districts as a punishment "because their contracts                                                             
have inflationary adjustments built into them." He stated that this                                                             
"vested interest" proposal would provide districts with the ability                                                             
to negotiate contracts and to revisit  their current transportation                                                             
system in order to reduce costs or generate savings. These savings,                                                             
he attested, could then be used for other purposes in the district.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans expressed  that,  under  the  current system,  were  the                                                             
Municipality  of Anchorage to lower  its transportation  costs, the                                                             
savings generated  at the State level would then be  distributed to                                                             
other areas of the State as opposed to being allocated toward other                                                             
Anchorage expenses.  He stated that were this legislation  adopted,                                                             
in this scenario,  Anchorage would  retain those savings  and could                                                             
use them as determined by the district.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Taylor  agreed that this  would be beneficial  to districts                                                             
that  have  this ability;  however,  he  expressed  that  districts                                                             
experiencing  a declining enrollment  would suffer. He  argued that                                                             
the proposal does not address the fact the districts with declining                                                             
enrollment would still be required  "to pick up students at the end                                                             
of the  road." Districts  with declining  enrollment, he  attested,                                                             
would  receive   "a  double  hit"   as  they  would  receive   less                                                             
transportation  money   and  less  money  from  the   base  student                                                             
allocation factor.  He stated that  this proposal should  include a                                                             
hold harmless clause for districts with decreasing enrollment.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman acknowledged Senator Taylor's concern regarding the                                                             
expenses  and  requirements  that  face  districts  with  declining                                                             
enrollment.  Furthermore, he voiced  concern that this  legislation                                                             
would punish rather  than reward those districts that  have already                                                             
lowered  their transportation  expenses, by  receiving a lower  per                                                             
student amount  than awarded to  those districts that  have exerted                                                             
little effort toward  addressing the issue. He commented  that this                                                             
raises a question of fairness.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans verified  that the proposal is based on current  district                                                             
expenditures.  He  acknowledged  that some  districts  with  single                                                             
transportation  bidders have experienced  substantial increases  in                                                             
expenses as  opposed to districts  with competitive situations.  He                                                             
continued  that,  by  providing  their  own  transportation,   some                                                             
districts might experience "cheaper transportation."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans remarked  that the Administration's position  is that the                                                             
current reimbursable system does  not promote cost containment, and                                                             
he commented that this proposal would allow local districts to make                                                             
independent  decisions regarding  transportation.  Furthermore,  he                                                             
stated  that current  regulations  allow districts  to charge  user                                                             
fees, but  he remarked  that because districts  are reimbursed  for                                                             
their expenses,  this option is not  utilized. He stated  that this                                                             
option would continue to be available under the new system.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman reiterated  that districts whose expenses  approach                                                             
the $1,200 per student  limit could realize "substantial  savings;"                                                             
however, he contested that the districts "that are well below" that                                                             
limit would not have similar options. He suggested that a flat rate                                                             
per student be provided to all  districts as he attested this might                                                             
address the inherent problem with this proposal.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
STEVE KALMES, Director of Transportation, Anchorage School District                                                             
testified via teleconference from  Anchorage to voice that contrary                                                             
to the Department's  testimony, he  does not contribute  the rising                                                             
costs  of  student  transportation  to  the  current  reimbursement                                                             
program, as he contended, such  things as the cost of buses, wages,                                                             
driver training, fuel, and insurance  drive expenses. He noted that                                                             
adherence to  the Department of  Education and Early  Development's                                                             
mandate  that transportation  must  be provided  for special  needs                                                             
students incurs enormous expense to the District.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kalmes disclosed that, in order  to contain costs, the District                                                             
has actively  sought bidders  and, with  five bidders, "the  prices                                                             
were what  they were." He communicated  that one of the  District's                                                             
largest concerns  regarding this grant  proposal is how  to address                                                             
the high cost of transporting special  needs students. He disclosed                                                             
that the costs associated with  transporting special needs students                                                             
amount  to  approximately  42  percent   of  the  District's  total                                                             
transportation  expenses  and  equates to  ten  times  the cost  of                                                             
transporting  a regular program child.  He exampled that  "the most                                                             
expensive route in the district" is the one that transports special                                                             
needs students  from the Mat-Su valley  to the Alaska  State School                                                             
for  the Deaf  that the  District operates  for  the Department  of                                                             
Education and Early Development.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Kalmes understood  that  the grant  amount  would increase  as                                                             
enrollment climbed; however, he  voiced surprise that funding would                                                             
decrease were the  opposite to occur. He stated that  as enrollment                                                             
increases,  those  students are  absorbed  within an  existing  bus                                                             
route. However, he contended that  were the number of students on a                                                             
particular route to decline, that  route would still be required to                                                             
operate. He suggested that, were the grant program implemented, the                                                             
FY 03 base level be used as the  level that funding not drop below.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green communicated that she had served on a committee that                                                             
addressed the needs of special education programs in the State. She                                                             
noted that  the Anchorage School  District met with that  committee                                                             
regarding the numerous  education programs the District  conducted.                                                             
She identified  that many  of those programs  were optional  rather                                                             
than mandatory programs. Therefore,  she asked whether the District                                                             
was mandated to operate the Alaska School for the Deaf (ASD).                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kalmes responded  that the District is under contract  with the                                                             
Department of Education  and Early Development to operate  the ASD.                                                             
He could not verify  whether the program was mandated  or optional.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green identified ASD as being an optional program, and she                                                             
asserted  that the  costs  associated  with running  that  program,                                                             
including transportation  costs, are  included in the base  student                                                             
allocation  calculation.   She  stated  that  the  District  should                                                             
identify which programs  are conducted on an optional,  contractual                                                             
basis verses those that are mandated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked whether the special needs bus transportation is                                                             
provided by the District.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kalmes  responded  that the  transportation is  comprised  of a                                                             
combination of District and contracted routes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  SCHUHMANN,  Parent,  testified   via  teleconference  from                                                             
Fairbanks  to suggest that  the Department  of Education and  Early                                                             
Development  leave the current  program in  place. She opined  that                                                             
other cost containment options such as a route analyses, exist. She                                                             
continued that this  legislation contains assumptions  such as that                                                             
the same percentage  of students rides buses in every  district and                                                             
that  all costs  are equal  in all  districts.  She specified  that                                                             
parents  rely on school  bus service,  and she  expressed that  the                                                             
service  should be  viewed as  a transportation  and public  safety                                                             
service rather  than being viewed  as an education system  service.                                                             
She stressed that  the risks involved in reducing routes  should be                                                             
investigated.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde asked  whether  school districts,  particularly  the                                                             
Anchorage School  District, have  considered charging user  fees to                                                             
assist in offsetting the cost of school transportation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Kalmes  responded  that  an  Anchorage  citizen  review  panel                                                             
recently asked  the Department of  Education and Early  Development                                                             
how  a user  fee program  would  affect the  current  reimbursement                                                             
system.  He  commented  that  the  current policy  tends  to  be  a                                                             
disincentive  to this  approach because  the Department  determined                                                             
that the reimbursement  amount would be lowered by  the same amount                                                             
collected from the user fees.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans verified  that  other districts  have  not pursued  this                                                             
option for that very reason.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked whether this option would be possible under the                                                             
grant program system being proposed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans responded that a rider  fee could be collected without an                                                             
impact on the proposed grant system.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor countered that there  is no language in the proposed                                                             
grant  system that  would  require a  transportation  system to  be                                                             
operated; therefore,  he declared  that a District could  eliminate                                                             
transportation and keep the money.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated  that this scenario would be  a local issue.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 125(TRA)                                                                                            
     "An  Act relating  to protests  of state  contract awards,  to                                                             
     claims on state contracts, to the arbitration of certain state                                                             
     construction  contract  claims, and  to  hearings and  appeals                                                             
     under the State Procurement Code; making conforming amendments                                                             
     in the State Procurement Code;  and providing for an effective                                                             
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first  hearing for  this bill  in the Senate  Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken informed  that this legislation  would reform  the                                                             
method  through which  construction  claims against  the State  are                                                             
addressed. He relayed that, approximately  a year prior at a Senate                                                             
Transportation committee meeting  in Anchorage, the committee heard                                                             
testimony regarding the construction industry's frustration on this                                                             
issue.  He   continued  that,   as  a   result  of  that   meeting,                                                             
representatives  from the Department  of Transportation  and Public                                                             
Facilities and the  Associated General Contractors  of Alaska (AGC)                                                             
worked  together to  develop a  consensus on  how the  construction                                                             
claims process against the State could be revised.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD SCHMIDZ, Staff to Senator John Cowdery, the bill's sponsor,                                                             
informed the  Committee that the  Department of Transportation  and                                                             
Public Facilities and the AGC would present this legislation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARK O'BRIEN,  Chief Contracts  Officer,  Division of  Contracting,                                                             
Procurement and Appeals, Office  of the Commissioner, Department of                                                             
Transportation and  Public Facilities, informed the  Committee that                                                             
the  Department   has  been  working   with  AGC  to   improve  the                                                             
construction  claims   process.  He  stated  that   AGC  originally                                                             
presented  three  suggestions  toward  making  the  claims  process                                                             
"faster, fairer,  and less expensive,"  and he contended  that this                                                             
legislation would  adequately address their concerns.  He explained                                                             
that in order  to quicken the  claims process, specific  timeframes                                                             
"where none existed  and shortened timelines where  ones did exist"                                                             
as well as implementation  of an arbitration process  as opposed to                                                             
the current hearing officer process have been incorporated into the                                                             
proposal. He stated that specific timelines for resolution would be                                                             
identified in the  arbitration process. These timelines,  he noted,                                                             
"would serve to speed up the process  and reduce costs" as compared                                                             
to the  costs resulting  from attorney and  consultant fees  in the                                                             
current litigation process.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Brien specified that the arbitration decision would be final.                                                             
He noted  that with the  exception of appeals  based on charges  of                                                             
fraud, misapplication  of the law,  and a few other narrow  issues,                                                             
there would be no lengthy court appeal process.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Brien communicated that the arbitration process would include                                                             
regulations regarding  the selection of an arbitrator  who would be                                                             
acceptable and fair to both parties.  He stated that implementation                                                             
of an arbitration system would reduce costs as it would shorten the                                                             
process and limit appeals.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Brien  acknowledged that the  award of costs and fees  is the                                                             
lone point of dissention remaining  between the Department and AGC.                                                             
He noted that  Rules 79 and 82,  as referenced in the  Department's                                                             
fiscal note #1, require payment  of attorney fees and claims costs.                                                             
He commented that these provisions would incur costs at "a baseline                                                             
average" of  $145,000 per year based  on an eleven-year  average in                                                             
which expenses ranged  from a high of $340,000 to a  low of $7,000.                                                             
He explained that this expense  would be subject to such factors as                                                             
the  complexity   of  the  case  and  the  length   of  litigation.                                                             
Furthermore, he explained  that in addition to these  expenses, the                                                             
cost of additional  attorney fees associated with litigating  these                                                             
awards is estimated to be approximately $6,000 per year or 20 hours                                                             
per  claim.  He  specified  that another  factor  is  the  Rule  68                                                             
provision that  allows for an "offer  of judgment." He  stated that                                                             
this factor is considered to be "a driver" in settling a claim.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Brien  informed  that while  most  construction  claims  are                                                             
associated  with  federally  funded projects,  no  federal  funding                                                             
support  exists  for expenses  associated  with  Rules  79 and  82.                                                             
Therefore, he stated that an award  of costs and fees would require                                                             
general fund dollars.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked  the dollar amount of claims  currently being                                                             
processed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Brien responded that he is  unsure of the current outstanding                                                             
claims amount.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DICK CATTANACH, Executive Director,  Associated General Contractors                                                             
of Alaska,  spoke in support of  this "fair and balanced"  bill. He                                                             
stated  that  while  he  appreciates   the  concern  regarding  the                                                             
potential level of  the fiscal note, he asserted that  the proposed                                                             
process would speed things up and would be less expensive. He noted                                                             
that AGC  worked diligently with  the Department of  Transportation                                                             
and Public  Facilities, the Department  of Law, and other  affected                                                             
parties to address this issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked whether the  industry is satisfied  with the                                                             
results of those discussions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cattanach confirmed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #1: This  amendment  inserts a  new section  on page  1,                                                             
following line 5 as follows.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1. AS 36.30.005 is amended by adding a new subsection                                                              
     to read:                                                                                                                   
          (d) Notwithstanding the provisions of AS 36.30.627, the                                                               
     University of Alaska is not required to arbitrate construction                                                             
     contract claims unless the university specifically agrees to                                                               
     the arbitration.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken offered Amendment  #1 and objected for explanation.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Wilken explained  that  this amendment  would exempt  the                                                             
University of Alaska  from the binding arbitration  requirement for                                                             
claims valued at  less than $250,000 unless the claim  was mutually                                                             
approved by both  the University and the contractor.  He noted that                                                             
no other provisions of the bill  would be affected by this proposed                                                             
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
WENDY REDMAN, Vice President of University Relations, University of                                                             
Alaska  stated  that  the  University   was  not  involved  in  the                                                             
aforementioned  discussions  due  to  the  understanding  that  the                                                             
University would  not be impacted by the legislation.  However, she                                                             
advised that the University is  seeking the exemption for the small                                                             
claims section, and  she noted that there is no opposition  to this                                                             
exemption request.  In addition, she expressed that  the University                                                             
has a good  working relationship  with AGC. Continuing,  she stated                                                             
that the  University  would be  involved in  the implementation  of                                                             
procedures pertaining to this legislation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken removed his objection.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens asked whether  the University utilizes  a State                                                             
procurement officer.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Redman   responded  that  the   University  has  an   in-house                                                             
procurement officer.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens asked the University's total annual construction                                                             
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms  Redman specified  that  the amendment  addresses  small  claims                                                             
valued at  $250,000 or  less. She continued  that the  University's                                                             
construction  budget  ranges between  $20  million  to $40  million                                                             
annually.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens asked the importance  of excluding this level of                                                             
contractor claims.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Redman explained  that  the bill  specifies  that small  claim                                                             
arbitration  could be initiated  "solely at  the discretion  of the                                                             
contractor,"  without the  approval of the  University. She  stated                                                             
that because the majority of University  construction projects fall                                                             
into the small claim  category, its attorneys have  determined that                                                             
the  bill's  current  language  is not  in  the  University's  best                                                             
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens ascertained  therefore, that  the basis  of the                                                             
amendment would be to address the concern that the University would                                                             
be  negatively   impacted  because   of  the  multitude   of  small                                                             
contractors it deals with.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman affirmed that the majority  of University projects would                                                             
be  classified   as  small  projects.   She  reiterated   that  the                                                             
University's  legal council  has  determined that  this bill  might                                                             
influence small contractors to pursue arbitration measures.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  asked  what the  University's  alternative  to                                                             
arbitration would be.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman  responded  that the  alternative would  be the  current                                                             
settlement process through which  hearings are conducted. She noted                                                             
that the University's  attorneys have determined that  the proposed                                                             
arbitration process might remove the incentive to settle.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman surmised  therefore,  that contrary  to  testimony                                                             
stating  that  the  arbitration  process  would  shorten  the  time                                                             
involved in settling claims, the University has determined that the                                                             
arbitration  process would  lengthen  its time  required to  settle                                                             
disputes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman clarified that this  legislation would introduce binding                                                             
arbitration as  a method to settle  small contractor disputes.  She                                                             
stated that  while the State  has experience  with this issue,  the                                                             
University  has not.  She  acknowledged that  University  attorneys                                                             
might  eventually   conclude  that   it  might  be  an   acceptable                                                             
alternative.  However, she stated  that because the University  was                                                             
not involved in the aforementioned discussions, the concern is that                                                             
the small  claim arbitration mandate  might increase its  number of                                                             
arbitrations and litigations.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde voiced  being  nervous "that  a  State agency  would                                                             
escape the  full impact of this  law." He attested that  this would                                                             
set  a  poor  precedent  unless  the  University   already  has  an                                                             
arbitration  process  in place  that would  be  duplicated by  this                                                             
mandate. He asked  whether the University currently  has in place a                                                             
system to adjudicate these small claims.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman replied that the University  must adhere to and abide by                                                             
the  State  procurement   code  that  has  established   provisions                                                             
pertaining to hearings and the appeal process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde stated everything "except for this exemption."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson agreed with Senator Bunde's comments.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked AGC's position on the amendment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cattanach  commented  that the $250,000  small claims  category                                                             
limit was  agreed upon after six  months of discussion  between the                                                             
AGC and the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities that                                                             
determined that a binding arbitration determination would be a fair                                                             
method of addressing a claim. He  asserted that arbitration is very                                                             
expensive and  that it would  not unusual to  spend a quarter  of a                                                             
million dollars  when prosecuting a  claim. He shared that  after a                                                             
hearing  is  conducted,  a  contractor   might  determine  that  an                                                             
independent arbitrator could levy  a fair opinion without incurring                                                             
further  expense. He  stated that  claims below  $250,000 could  be                                                             
handled  quicker  and  cheaper  via  the  arbitration  process.  He                                                             
specified  that claims  in excess  of that amount  would be  better                                                             
managed through the routine claims process.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cattanach stated that AGC agrees with the University's position                                                             
on this amendment  because the University  was not involved  in the                                                             
process.  Additionally,  he  commented   that  the  University  has                                                             
committed  to  work  with AGC  to  determine  whether  the  binding                                                             
arbitration process would work  with University projects. He voiced                                                             
confidence  that it would  work. Therefore,  Mr. Cattanach  replied                                                             
that AGC supports the amendment.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken removed his objection to the amendment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being no further objection, Amendment #1 was ADOPTED.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #2: This conceptual amendment addresses a technical error                                                             
in the  bill whereby  Sections  1 and 15  of the  bill specify  two                                                             
differing effective  dates pertaining  to the applicability  of the                                                             
bill. The clarifying language being inserted into the bill reads as                                                             
follows.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 16. The uncodified law of the State of Alaska is amended                                                              
     by adding a new section to read:                                                                                           
          APPLICABILITY. Sections 1-16 and 18 of this Act apply to                                                              
     a contract if the contract is entered into on or after the                                                                 
     effective dates of secs. 1-16 and 18 of this Act.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken moved for the adoption of Amendment #2.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment #2 was ADOPTED.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor asked whether this legislation would alleviate other                                                             
[unspecified] issues that have been discussed over the years.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cattanach  responded that  by implementing  a fair and  quicker                                                             
process, the legislation would  address other [unspecified] issues.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor voiced support of the legislation if it would result                                                             
in improving  "the Department's  reluctance to  adjust claims  in a                                                             
good faith  and meaningful  manner that  has literally  bankrupted"                                                             
numerous  businesses. In  addition,  he noted  that a  contractor's                                                             
bonding ability is  jeopardized when a timely determination  is not                                                             
forthcoming.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor moved to report the bill, as amended, from Committee                                                             
with individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal note.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no objection,  CS  SB  125 (FIN)  was  REPORTED  from                                                             
Committee with indeterminate fiscal  note #1 from the Department of                                                             
Transportation and Public Facilities.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 112(TRA)                                                                                            
     "An Act increasing  the motor fuel tax; repealing  the special                                                             
     tax  rates  on blended  fuels;  removing  the motor  fuel  tax                                                             
     exemption of the Alaska Railroad;  relating to tax refunds for                                                             
     government  agency purchases  of  fuel; and  providing for  an                                                             
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first  hearing for  this bill  in the Senate  Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  informed that the  Department of Revenue  would be                                                             
presenting testimony on this legislation on behalf of the Governor.                                                             
He communicated  that this legislation  would increase  the State's                                                             
highway motor fuel tax from eight  cents a gallon to twenty cents a                                                             
gallon and would eliminate the motor fuel tax currently charged for                                                             
gasohol. He explained that the  version before the Committee, CS SB
112 (TRA), Version  23-GS1118\, contains the language  submitted by                                                             
the  Governor as  well as  additional  language  pertaining to  the                                                             
Alaska Railroad.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LANDA BAILY, Special  Assistant and Legislative Liaison,  Office of                                                             
the Commissioner,  Department of Revenue verified that  Version "U"                                                             
includes language  that would exempt  the Alaska Railroad  from the                                                             
motor fuel tax. She communicated  that Governor Frank Murkowski and                                                             
Commissioner Bill Corbus of the  Department of Revenue support this                                                             
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Ms. Baily explained that this legislation  would increase the motor                                                             
fuel tax from  the current eight  cents per gallon to  20-cents per                                                             
gallon. She continued  that, even with this increase,  Alaska would                                                             
rank below the national average of 23-cents for excise tax rates on                                                             
highway  motor fuel.  She stated  that twenty-two  states have  tax                                                             
rates  exceeding  this  amount and  that  thirty-five  states  have                                                             
combined  state and local  tax rates  that range  from 21 to  38.70                                                             
cents per gallon. She shared that  the Governor urges the Committee                                                             
"to agree  with  him" that  this tax  increase "would  be a  viable                                                             
method of generating critically  needed, re-occurring revenue." She                                                             
commented  that  the  Department  of Revenue  estimates  that  this                                                             
legislation  would  provide  $41.16  million  in  additional  State                                                             
revenue  per fiscal  year. She  clarified that  rather than  $41.16                                                             
million, it is estimated  that the additional revenue  collected in                                                             
FY 04 would be approximately $37.7  million "because taxes are paid                                                             
one month after sales." She further explained that although the tax                                                             
might be effective  as of July 1,  2003, the tax collected  in July                                                             
would be for the status quo tax rate on June 2003 sales.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Baily continued  that  the off-highway  motor  fuel tax  would                                                             
increase from  six-cents to 18-cents  per gallon. She  reminded the                                                             
Committee that this is the first  adjustment to this tax rate since                                                             
it was enacted in 1970. She stressed that the Department of Revenue                                                             
could  efficiently  administer the  increased  motor  fuel tax.  On                                                             
behalf of the Governor and the Department of Revenue, she urged the                                                             
Committee to adopt this legislation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  stated that  there has been  discussion regarding  a                                                             
phased implementation  of this tax.  Other than a reduction  in the                                                             
estimated level of additional revenue,  he asked what ramifications                                                             
a phased-in tax increase might incur.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Baily replied  that a phased in program would create  a problem                                                             
in  that  the  Governor   has  requested  the  enactment   of  this                                                             
legislation in order  to assist the State in addressing  its fiscal                                                             
gap.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked when the aviation fuel tax was last adjusted.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Baily  stated that this  information would  be supplied  to the                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  MACKINNON,   Deputy   Commissioner  of   Highways  &   Public                                                             
Facilities,  Department  of Transportation  and  Public  Facilities                                                             
conveyed  that  the  Department   "is  in  full  support"  of  this                                                             
legislation.  He  shared that,  currently,  the  Department  spends                                                             
approximately  $60 million  in general funds  to address  statewide                                                             
highway  and  airport  maintenance  needs. He  specified  that  the                                                             
current  tax   generates  $28   million  annually  toward   highway                                                             
maintenance  and  that  the  12-cents  per  gallon  increase  would                                                             
generate an additional  $41 million annually. He noted  that, while                                                             
the total exceeds the current maintenance  expenditures, the amount                                                             
in excess  of current expenditures  would be  used to address  "the                                                             
long list of deferred maintenance  projects" that currently amounts                                                             
to $50 million.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked the amount  of funds that would be specifically                                                             
designated for  highway maintenance  needs as opposed to  the total                                                             
projected   amount  that   includes   both  highway   and   airport                                                             
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. MacKinnon  specified  that the  amount that  would be spent  on                                                             
airport maintenance would be: four  million dollars in the Northern                                                             
Region;  three   million  dollars   in  the  Central  Region;   and                                                             
approximately one million dollars in the Southeast Region. He noted                                                             
that these amounts do not include international airport funding.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that the  Alaska Railroad taxation  issue is                                                             
addressed in Sec.  4, subsection (a) on page 4, lines  19-21 and in                                                             
Sec 7, subsection  (G) on page 5, lines 25 and 26.  He referred the                                                             
Committee  to  accompanying  information  provided  by  the  Alaska                                                             
Railroad Corporation titled "Reasons  Against Taxing Alaska's State                                                             
Railroad," [copy on file] as well as a Memorandum dated May 6, 2003                                                             
from Kathryn  Kurtz, Legislative  Counsel  to Senator John  Cowdery                                                             
[copy on file].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BINKLEY, Chairman  of the Board, Alaska Railroad  Corporation,                                                             
Department  of Community  and Economic  Development, testified  via                                                             
teleconference from  an offnet site in Fairbanks, to  voice concern                                                             
regarding  a  provision  in  the  Senate  Transportation  Committee                                                             
committee substitute  that would include "the Alaska  Railroad into                                                             
the same category as the highway  motor fuel users" by implementing                                                             
the twenty cent per gallon fuel tax "on all of the rolling stock of                                                             
the Alaska Railroad."  He voiced concern about the  resulting legal                                                             
and policy issues that might result.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Binkley stated that language  in this bill could invoke a legal                                                             
challenge  by violating  the  federal Railroad  Revitalization  and                                                             
Regulatory  Reform  Act,  referred  to  as the  4-R  Act  that  was                                                             
established in 1976.  He explained that this Act prohibits  a state                                                             
from  imposing  a tax  relating  to competitive  fuel  taxes  "that                                                             
discriminates  against a railroad."  In addition, he stated  that a                                                             
federal provision  in the  Alaska Railroad  Transfer Act,  that was                                                             
enacted when  the federally owned  railroad was transferred  to the                                                             
State,  mandates   that  the  State  maintain  a  viable   railroad                                                             
transportation  system to  ensure that  it would  be available  for                                                             
military and  other uses. He stated  that this provision  prohibits                                                             
the State  from taking money away  from the railroad as  opposed to                                                             
allowing  the  railroad  to  utilize   its  revenues  for  railroad                                                             
operations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Binkley  furthered that  "on the policy  standpoint, the  State                                                             
should not tax itself," as he attested the railroad is owned by the                                                             
people of  the State. He voiced  that "the lifeblood of  the Alaska                                                             
Railroad" is  to utilize railroad  capital to expand its  lines. He                                                             
stated  that  the source  of  the  railroad's  capital is  its  net                                                             
earnings, and  he advised, "if you  don't invest capital  back into                                                             
the asset, you don't exist."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Binkley referred to separate  legislation being considered that                                                             
would  provide for  expansion of  the railroad.  He attested  that,                                                             
while the Alaska Railroad supports  expansion of its service areas,                                                             
it would be "extremely  costly." He asserted that,  were the Alaska                                                             
Railroad's net earnings to lower, the railroad would not be able to                                                             
expand. He noted that the Fairbanks  North Star Borough Assembly is                                                             
on  record in  opposition  to the  taxation  language  in the  bill                                                             
regarding the Alaska Railroad.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde voiced understanding  of the Railroad's concern about                                                             
taxation  on its rolling  stock. He asked  for further  information                                                             
regarding the Alaska  Railroad's motor fleet, specifically  whether                                                             
the motor  fleet fuel  is purchased  from a  private entity  and is                                                             
subject to the highway motor fuel tax.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Binkley  replied that  the Alaska Railroad  does pay the  motor                                                             
fuel  tax  for its  vehicles  using  the  State's  highway  system.                                                             
Furthermore, he noted that while  the Alaska Railroad could request                                                             
a refund of  that current highway  motor fuel tax that it  pays, it                                                             
has declined to do so.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  voiced the  intent to hold  this bill in  order to                                                             
entertain a  committee substitute  that would exclude the  Railroad                                                             
from taxation. However, he voiced  support for the establishment of                                                             
a dividend  program whereby  the Alaska  Railroad would  contribute                                                             
funding to the State to support  its expansion plans. He voiced the                                                             
belief that this  could be implemented without damaging  the Alaska                                                             
Railroad. He suggested that implementation of a ten-dollar user fee                                                             
could fund  the contribution, which  he calculated could  amount to                                                             
approximately  four  million  dollars based  on  current  ridership                                                             
numbers. He encouraged the Alaska Railroad to address instituting a                                                             
dividend program, as he asserted,  "it is the right thing to do and                                                             
it could be done without damaging our Railroad."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Binkley voiced  that this is a legitimate public  policy issue,                                                             
and he asked  that the legislature  provide the Railroad  "with the                                                             
forum" to address the Dividend issue.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked whether the original bill, SB 112, Version 23-                                                             
GS1118\A, would adequately  address some of the concerns  raised by                                                             
the Version 23-GS1118\U committee substitute.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN    JARDELL,    Assistant    Commissioner,    Department    of                                                             
Administration, communicated  that, in addition to  eliminating the                                                             
motor fuel tax exemption  for the Alaska Railroad,  the Version "U"                                                             
committee  substitute  would authorize  the "recoupement  of  fees"                                                             
through the use of a State credit card system.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor asked whether use  of the State credit card would be                                                             
limited to the Department of Transportation  and Public Facilities.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Jardell   clarified   that  primarily   the   Department   of                                                             
Transportation and Public Facilities employees would use the credit                                                             
card for fuel  purchases. He explained  that the credit  card would                                                             
enable a State employee to purchase  fuel, including the motor fuel                                                             
tax, from  a retailer. He  continued that  the credit card  company                                                             
would compute the amount paid toward  fuel tax fees and request the                                                             
State to reimburse them that amount.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jardell qualified that currently a fuel retailer is required to                                                             
pay the motor fuel  tax to the wholesaler at the time  of purchase,                                                             
and in turn, the  wholesaler pays the State. He continued  that one                                                             
of  two things  currently  occurs  at  the time  a  State  employee                                                             
purchases fuel from the retailer:  one, they can pay the motor fuel                                                             
tax; or, two, if a contract is  in effect with the retailer, no tax                                                             
is collected. In that latter case,  he explained, the retailer must                                                             
submit a statement to the Department of Revenue asking that the tax                                                             
paid to the wholesaler be returned.  He stated that current statute                                                             
designates  that a  retailer could  only  recoup the  paid tax.  He                                                             
stated  that the  amendment adopted  in the  Senate  Transportation                                                             
committee  substitute,  Version "U"  would  allow the  credit  card                                                             
company to be able  to recoup the sales tax paid for  the fuel, but                                                             
for which the State would not pay them.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor stated therefore  that the amendment would allow the                                                             
State to reimburse either a retailer or the credit card company for                                                             
the motor fuel tax paid.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jardell concurred. He stated that the credit card could be used                                                             
at any retailer.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken ordered the bill to be HELD in Committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 31(RES)                                                                                             
     "An Act relating to a transportation corridor for extension of                                                             
     the Alaska Railroad  to Canada and to extension  of the Alaska                                                             
     Railroad to connect with the  North American railroad system."                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first  hearing for  this bill  in the Senate  Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken informed that this legislation "would authorize the                                                             
Alaska  Railroad  Corporation  to delineate  a  transportation  and                                                             
utility corridor from the Eielson  Air Force Base near Fairbanks to                                                             
the Alaska/Canada border." In addition, he noted that authorization                                                             
would  be  provided  to  the  Alaska  Railroad  to  investigate  an                                                             
extension of the Railroad from the border to connect with the North                                                             
American railway system. He specified  that CS SB 31 (RES), Version                                                             
23-LS0336\U is before the Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD SCHMITZ, Staff to the bill's sponsor, Senator John Cowdery,                                                             
reviewed the history of the Railroad and professed that "the dream"                                                             
of connecting the Alaska Railroad to the rest of the North American                                                             
rail system has existed since the  1870s. He stated that, while the                                                             
majority of the bill addresses  the extension of the railway system                                                             
to  the Canadian  border,  the bill  would additionally  allow  the                                                             
Alaska Railroad to investigate  a rail connection to, for instance,                                                             
Fort Nelson  in British  Columbia,  Canada which  would enable  the                                                             
Railroad to connect to the rest  to the North American rail system.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Schmitz informed  that,  as the  bill progressed  through  the                                                             
various legislative  committees, language "was added  to strengthen                                                             
and qualify the bill  to make certain that no natural  gas pipeline                                                             
or other  use" of  the delineated  corridor  would impact  "Senator                                                             
Cowdery's vision" of the bill. He specified that the transportation                                                             
of materials on the extended rail line would allow the proposed gas                                                             
pipeline  to be more  easily and less  expensively constructed.  He                                                             
stated  that  the  Alaska  Railroad,   the  Department  of  Natural                                                             
Resources,   representatives   of  the   oil   and  gas   industry,                                                             
representatives of Governor Murkowski's Administration, and Senator                                                             
Cowdery have  worked together to  develop bill language  that would                                                             
accomplish  the goal of the  bill. He referred  the Committee  to a                                                             
Sectional  Analysis of  CS SB 31  (RES) that  has been provided  by                                                             
Senator Cowdery [copy on file] that further defines the bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  concluded that the  bill would provide for  a 500-                                                             
foot corridor would be identified to run from the Eielson Air Force                                                             
Base to the Canadian border. This  corridor, he clarified, would be                                                             
controlled by the  Department of Natural Resources  until such time                                                             
as the Railroad begins  to construct a railbed on a  dedicated 200-                                                             
foot  swath  within  the 500-foot  corridor.  He  stated  that  the                                                             
question is whether the Alaska  Railroad should be granted title to                                                             
that 200-foot swath.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Schmitz concurred.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Wilken  reiterated  that  the primary  issue  before  the                                                             
Committee is whether  or not to grant the Alaska Railroad  title to                                                             
the  200-foot  corridor. He  asked  the  Committee to  voice  other                                                             
concerns that might result from the legislation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor stated that the legislation contains numerous issues                                                             
such as the railroad funding mechanisms and Railroad sales to third                                                             
parties. He asked that the term  "railroad land" be further defined                                                             
as the "language  is very genetic." He furthered that,  in addition                                                             
to the  200-foot  swath in the  corridor,  a 200-foot  right-of-way                                                             
might  be required  for  areas around  all selected  railroad  land                                                             
including terminals, stations,  maintenance yards, and switchyards.                                                             
He specified that  the railroad land issue is his biggest  concern.                                                             
He  continued that  the question  is  whether the  State wishes  to                                                             
control access  to the 500-foot  right-of-way in order  to consider                                                             
its usage  for  such things  as a  fiber optic  cable corridor.  He                                                             
voiced opposition to awarding a fee-simple title.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde stated that while  numerous separate discussions have                                                             
addressed the issue of selling  State land, this legislation "gives                                                             
away" State land,  albeit to the Alaska Railroad. He  characterized                                                             
the Railroad as "a quasi-State  agency," rather than a State agency                                                             
because he asserted  that the State does not receive  any dividends                                                             
from  it.  He  pointed   out  that  "unless  things   have  changed                                                             
substantially  recently," the  money that  the Alaska Railroad  has                                                             
made from its land holdings has allowed the Railroad to loose money                                                             
in its "rolling stock operations  by running lost leaders" in order                                                             
to unfairly compete with private enterprise.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken stated that this concern would be addressed.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PHYLLIS  JOHNSON,  Vice  President   and  General  Counsel,  Alaska                                                             
Railroad  Corporation,   Department   of  Community  and   Economic                                                             
Development,  testified via teleconference  from an offnet  site in                                                             
Anchorage to address Senator Taylor's concerns.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  interjected to  inform  that Senator  Taylor  has                                                             
suggested changes to Version "U"  to address his concerns. He asked                                                             
that Ms. Johnson  provide an opinion  to those changes as  they are                                                             
presented.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Johnson agreed.  However,  she reiterated  that  the bill  was                                                             
cooperatively developed by the aforementioned entities.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Wilken  pointed  out that  discussions  with  the  bill's                                                             
sponsor  would  occur   prior  to  changing  the  legislation   and                                                             
developing a new committee substitute.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor communicated that  while he "very strongly supports"                                                             
the extension  of the Railroad,  regrettably, he has concerns  that                                                             
the Alaska Railroad's "push" is to get land on which to construct a                                                             
railway but in order to also control  "its use for other purposes."                                                             
He  stated  that  during  other  committees'  discussions  on  this                                                             
legislation,  numerous questions  arose  about future  uses of  the                                                             
corridor, such as who would control the land were "a pipeline to go                                                             
down it, are  fiber optics a concern,"  and who would  control such                                                             
things  as  subsurface  mineral  rights  to  the  land  were  other                                                             
considerations beyond  building a railroad on the land  identified.                                                             
Other concerns, he voiced include whether to grant the Railroad the                                                             
right of way to the land for free.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor opined that were  the Alaska Railroad a State agency                                                             
and thereby abiding  by such things as the State procurement  code,                                                             
his concern would be limited. However,  he declared that, "they are                                                             
not  a State  agency," and  their  independent  actions "shock  and                                                             
surprise [the Legislature]  by discovering that railroad  terminals                                                             
and tracks are being  built places." Furthermore, he  attested that                                                             
"the  only profit"  the Alaska  Railroad  is making  "is off  their                                                             
land." He  stated that the Railroad  "should operate as  a railroad                                                             
rather than a real estate operation."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor reviewed that his drafting changes to the bill [copy                                                             
on file]  include; foremost, language  specifying that  rather than                                                             
granting the Alaska Railroad right-of-way to the land, the language                                                             
should specify that the Department of Natural Resources would lease                                                             
the  land  to the  Alaska  Railroad  Corporation.  Furthermore,  he                                                             
specified that land  selection and obligation provisions  should be                                                             
included, as well  as language specifying that were  a gas pipeline                                                             
to  use the  corridor,  "it would  be within  the  province of  the                                                             
Department and the State of Alaska."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor  continued  that  clarifying   language  should  be                                                             
inserted  in Section  1, subsection  (c)(2)  on page  3, line 1  to                                                             
specify  that the  Department of  Natural  Resources shall  "retain                                                             
unfettered  discretion regarding  the use  of these lands,"  rather                                                             
than being "subservient to the  railroad on all land use within the                                                             
corridor"  as "the  land is  developed and  conveyance sought."  He                                                             
stated that these changes "would be a plus to the State's interest"                                                             
as opposed to being "the only State  interest remaining." He stated                                                             
that the proposed language would read as follows.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
               (2) the department shall continue to manage the land                                                             
     reserved  under (1) if this  subsection; the department  shall                                                             
     retain unfettered discretion regarding the use of these lands,                                                             
     but will consult  with the corporation before  disposing of an                                                             
     interest  in  land  within  the  transportation  corridor  and                                                             
     associated   rail   land;   the   department   may   condition                                                             
     authorization for activities on the reserved land to encourage                                                             
     the corporation  to construct  the railroad or other  specific                                                             
     railroad uses identified for the land;                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken clarified  that Senator Taylor's suggestions  apply                                                             
to the Version "U" committee substitute.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor reiterated that all references to the word "land" in                                                             
Version "U" beginning  with Section 1, subsection (e)(2)  on page 4                                                             
should be changed  to read "right-of-way or easements"  in order to                                                             
retain the State's interest in the land as opposed to conveying the                                                             
land to  the Alaska Railroad  Corporation. Furthermore,  he advised                                                             
that  Section 1,  subsections (e)(3),  (4),  and (5)  that read  as                                                             
follows, should be deleted.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
               (3) the Department of Natural Resources shall assign                                                             
     any   existing   contracts   within   that  segment   of   the                                                             
     transportation  corridor  and  associated  rail  land  to  the                                                             
     corporation; the corporation may thereafter retain the revenue                                                             
     from the conveyed  land; the department shall  prorate revenue                                                             
     from contracts  affecting both conveyed and un-conveyed  land;                                                             
               (4) the remaining state land in a segment of the                                                                 
     transportation corridor in  which the corporation has received                                                             
     a  conveyance  under this  section  shall  be managed  by  the                                                             
     Department of  Natural Resources as a transportation  corridor                                                             
     unless the department determines  the land is no longer needed                                                             
     for that purpose; and                                                                                                      
               (5) the remaining segments of the transportation                                                                 
     corridor   in  which   the  corporation   has  not   completed                                                             
     construction and any associated  state land designated as rail                                                             
     land shall continue to be managed by the Department of Natural                                                             
     Resources  as a transportation  corridor  and associated  rail                                                             
     land under (c) and (d) of this section.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Furthermore,  Senator Taylor  advised that  language in Section  1,                                                             
subsection (g) beginning on line  12, page 5 be omitted as "this is                                                             
a totally different standard than is currently in effect" on any of                                                             
the  State's  highways.  He  stated that  "the  inclusion  of  this                                                             
language has no purpose in this  legislation whatsoever" as actions                                                             
by  the  Railroad  for  such  things   as  a  spill  are  currently                                                             
categorized as "negligence." This language reads as follows.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Neither  the corporation  nor the state  is liable for  claims                                                             
     arising  from public  use of the  transportation corridor  and                                                             
     associated  rail land, except  to the extent the  claims arise                                                             
     from the gross negligence of the state, the corporation, their                                                             
     employees, or their contractors, respectively.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
In addition,  Senator Taylor suggested  that Section 1,  subsection                                                             
(j)  on page  6, beginning  on line  5 should  be  deleted as  this                                                             
language is  not required "if the  Department has already  retained                                                             
the land"  and is only granting  easements or right-of-ways  in the                                                             
corridor. This language reads as follows.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          (j) The Department of Natural Resources shall retain the                                                              
     classifications and reservations of land identified for use as                                                             
     a proposed  utility corridor  and railroad right-of-way  under                                                             
     former  AS   19.02.122  until  the  corporation   informs  the                                                             
     department  in writing  that  the land  is not  needed by  the                                                             
     corporation  for a  utility corridor.  If, under  (a) of  this                                                             
     section, the corporation includes land identified under former                                                             
     AS 19.05.122 as part of the  proposed transportation corridor,                                                             
     the department shall manage that land under provisions of this                                                             
     section.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor voiced  the desire to assist the Alaska  Railroad in                                                             
its endeavor to extend  the rail line; and he attested  that he has                                                             
personally met with  Canadians to further that end.  He opined that                                                             
the Canadians also support this  effort. However, he professed that                                                             
he could  not support a  fee simple conveyance  of the land  to the                                                             
Alaska Railroad,  as it  could be detrimental  to furthering  other                                                             
State projects in the corridor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  asked  Ms. Johnson  to  review  Senator  Taylor's                                                             
suggestions.  Additionally,  he voiced  that  the proposed  changes                                                             
should be discussed with the bill's  sponsor. Furthermore, he asked                                                             
Railroad's  representative  whether  a  delay  in  action  on  this                                                             
legislation would be acceptable.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BINKLEY, Chairman  of the Board, Alaska Railroad  Corporation,                                                             
Department  of Community  and Economic  Development responded  that                                                             
addressing the issue further would be acceptable. He commented that                                                             
Senator   Taylor   presents   "some   compelling    arguments   and                                                             
observations."  Furthermore,  he suggested  that  because the  land                                                             
belongs to  the State, the Department  of Natural Resources  rather                                                             
than  the Railroad  should  conduct  the  delineation  work on  the                                                             
transportation corridor  in order to avoid a perceived  conflict of                                                             
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor opined that the  Alaska Railroad has "a monopoly" on                                                             
the knowledge  regarding how to  lie out a transportation  corridor                                                             
for  a  rail  line  because  of  the  longevity  and  institutional                                                             
knowledge of the Alaska Railroad  leadership. Therefore, he favored                                                             
the Alaska Railroad maintaining the lead authority in the endeavor.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Binkley  informed the  Committee that  the prior year's  Alaska                                                             
Railroad  net income was  nine million  dollars, with five  million                                                             
dollars  resulting from  real estate  operations  and four  million                                                             
resulting  from  railroad  operations.  He  stated  that  it  is  a                                                             
misconception to say that Railroad operations are unprofitable, and                                                             
he stated that every year, with  the exception of one, the Railroad                                                             
operations "have made money."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor  clarified that  he is "not  totally married  to the                                                             
idea that the Alaska Railroad should  receive no land out of this,"                                                             
but rather that the arrangement should be less extensive. He stated                                                             
that the focus of the discussion  should address how to further the                                                             
building of  the railroad as opposed  to dwelling on how  much land                                                             
would be divvied out to various entities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Johnson voiced support of Mr. Binkley's comments. Additionally,                                                             
she agreed that further clarifying  language would be beneficial as                                                             
she noted that it is understood  that the remaining land within the                                                             
500-foot corridor  could be used for other purposes.  She corrected                                                             
that the  200-foot Alaska Railroad  corridor would not  require any                                                             
additional  buffer  zone;  however, she  verified  that  additional                                                             
terminal and maintenance land would be required.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken voiced  that Senator Taylor's suggestions  would be                                                             
used to develop another committee substitute.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens asked the reason  that Senator Taylor  suggests                                                             
deleting  language in  Sec. 1, subsection  (j) on  page six  of the                                                             
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor  stated that  the suggestion  was made based  on the                                                             
termination  that the  State would  be retaining  the right to  the                                                             
land.  He stated  that he  would provide  further  analysis to  the                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken ordered  the bill  HELD in Committee  in order  to                                                             
develop a new committee substitute.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SFC 03 # 81, Side A 06:56 PM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken adjourned the meeting at 06:57 PM.                                                                         

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